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jostorm wrote:
In case you haven't read it, here's the review from IORR, put it in your pipe and smoke it, there seem to have been plenty of Rolling Stones fans there, go figure!

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Strange_Stray_Cat wrote:
Why is this thread not sticky?

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jostorm wrote:
The Stones sold out eons ago, that doesn't piss me off anymore, I mean, let's face it, Mick lived on a whole floor of Claridges for years, for fucks sake, these people (thanks to us) live on a different planet from us, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that they promised us clubshows and broke the promise but play them when enough dough is offered by a bank, that offends me...

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Fiji Joe wrote:


What was Sweet Neocon?...That was Mick Jagger forcing himself to write a song about the Iraq war to help sell songs...and that's precisely why it sucked so bad and precisely why I went on record when the song was being talked about, but not released, and stated publically that it would suck balls...it had to suck balls...it wasn't coming from the heart...I don't know that that makes it contradicotry as it relates to playing a party for a bank...unless the bank is financing the war...but it was fake and forced...I'll give you that

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You know it's funny...watching in the abstract, clips of shows I wasn't at, I say the same thing...it's gone..over...but I went to numerous shows this tour and was not once disappointed...I can't explain that...but that's how it was

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Bloozehound wrote:
all kidding aside I truly have a hard time believing some of you still think the Stones are all about The Art and not just entertainment at this point in their career, and I'm not trying to put them down, they're still some of the best entertainers around, but it's become too apparent, a good analogy is to say these are their Vegas days

This Deutsche Bank gig was nothing more than another gig for them to entertain people at because...

*** spoiler warning***

that's what they do for a living

I can safely bet most anyone here would of given their left nut to get in on that gig had they be given the opportunity

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Bloozehound wrote:
all kidding aside I truly have a hard time believing some of you still think the Stones are all about The Art and not just entertainment at this point in their career

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I can safely bet most anyone here would of given their left nut to get in on that gig had they be given the opportunity

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Gazza wrote:

If you and others are happy with them reducing themselves to cabaret fodder, good for you. Some of us have higher standards and expectations

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right right I'm with ya now, like writing and selling shitty power ballads to a daytime soap opera type high standards and expectations

come on Gazza, your as cynical as anyone about the Stones business practices, you're really that shocked and appalled by all this

I saw it coming a mile away, hang out with Timberlake, accept a knighthood, phone in your bands first studio album in 8 years, do a superbowl half time show, make a disney movie, never ending - highest grossing world tour, play a private Banker gig (hell even JLo's getting a cool 2 mil for 40 min private gigs and you know how Jagger is about keeping up with the hipster Hollywood crowd)

It's all relative, it's time has come, it's not 1971 in a dingy château basement in France anymore, nothing's shocking

weddings, funerals, bar mitzvah, birthday partys, private gigs call 1 800 StonesInc for more details of how to book the world's greediest rock n roll band for your function today

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bootcover wrote:
Don't know if this is allready posted, but here you can see I'll Go Crazy from the private gig: http://www.lavanguardia.es/premium/publica/publica?COMPID=53375375573&ID_PAGINA=51311350828&ID_FORMATO=9&PAGINACIO=1&SUBORDRE=3

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Gazza wrote:


See page 3 of this same thread, Jo. Tony's obviously trying to convince himself of this as well as others. His crap about fans getting tickets through 'networking' is bullshit. The tickets werent distributed in any way whatsover which reflected whether the recipient was a fan or not. I know that for a fact. There's so much bullshit in that review its coming out of his ears.

as open-g revealed, the gig obviously meant so much to Tony that he he was hawking his wristband and setlist on e-bay within hours of it finishing.

In this case the bankers ARE wankers.

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jostorm wrote:


Hiya, Sweetie!
Ok, this bit I didn't know...You mean this Tony was trying to sell the setlist and his wristband to memorabilia collectors on ebay??? Ugh, what a tosser, I'll grant you that...

But: who is a "fan",and who isn't, and how many types of "fan" are there???
The point I was trying to make is that
1) I have (and always have had a problem) with someone stating that there is some sort of "fan-hierarchy", i.e. if I have x boots, remember how many songs I've seen live (I can hardly recall what I had for breakfast today), always wear a RS tee to the gigs and write down setlists then I'm a better fan than XYZ.....
I have spent years reading statements that go along the lines of "I'm a much more worthy fan than you, because...", it's an ongoing pissing contest in which I have never taken part. The fact of the matter is that USUALLY you either change the World before you are 30 or so, OR the World changes you into a more or less materialistic beast. Although I am sure most of the people in that hall in Barcelona are "rolling in it",it goes with the job,but who is to say they aren't "fans"????? Does being a banker preclude you from really loving their music any more than being a chiropractor,a dentist, a shopgirl or a factory worker???? We are talking about "taste" here, not about "means"...
And 2) To still see Rock'n Roll bands 40 years later as having anything to do with anti-establishmentarianism AT ALL is fairly naive. The bands who don't make it, perhaps, but the ones who do???? Sorry Nasty Habits, you are very very eloquent, intelligent and articulate, but in my book you are also a tad naive in your expectations, or perhaps you are young and I am old and jaded ....
Individuals like Patty Smith f.e. may still take political issues to heart and fight causes, I suppose Bono does (although he's a tosser in my book, too!)and I'm sure some people in the music world have integrity,an over-developed sense4 of social justice and the energy to voice things that would be overheard were they not famous.But the Stones??? Gimme a break!... after having slept on pure linen for yonks in the Claridge's and running up a bill over several million £, I doubt Sir Mick gives a fuck about politics or the "fairness" in who gets to see him in a small place and who doesn't....I doubt his horizon stretches much further than his own social climbing, the hardness of his dick and the coins in his many offshore accounts. Ok, and he's great with all his children, I'll grant him that....but you know what I mean...
And, quite honestly, if Steve Earle had made a shitload of money by now, perhaps he would also have sold out, who is to know???? ( and at least he would shut the fuck up during his concerts and sing, which would be a refreshing change....)
To sum it up: we have no right to call the bankers wankers, we may be hurt by the whole thing, but the real wankers are the Stones,for breaking their promises, end of story.

As to sentiments from an old fan:
Something "broke" in me last year,they behaved really "shoddy", and I decided not to be a doormat anymore. If it wasn't for having the opportunity of hanging out with my nephew in Madrid and meeting up with you and GTRM I would have skipped that one. The IOW I did for my daughter, it was done and dusted regardless of the RS. And O2-1 is to hang out with you and meet with the great PartyDollMegOfTheLostSuitcases...
But to buy tickets and flights and hotels for over 13 gigs like I still did at the Licks tour and to cross the Atlantic to see them at MSG????? Fuck that for a game of soldiers! I could easily afford it, but I chose not to. Everyone has to make that decision themselves.
I haven't really forgiven the way they treated us last Summer when the European leg got fucked up,and I doubt I ever will. I had a blast at the two concerts I've seen, and I don't regret for a second going. They still reside firmly in my heart somewhere, how couldn't they? after all these years? But to totally re-arrange my life around the tour like I used to???? Not a chance.
To borrow the lyrics: "Because I used to love them, but it's all over now!"

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jostorm wrote:
The point I was trying to make is that
1) I have (and always have had a problem) with someone stating that there is some sort of "fan-hierarchy", i.e. if I have x boots, remember how many songs I've seen live (I can hardly recall what I had for breakfast today), always wear a RS tee to the gigs and write down setlists then I'm a better fan than XYZ.....
I have spent years reading statements that go along the lines of "I'm a much more worthy fan than you, because...", it's an ongoing pissing contest in which I have never taken part.

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Although I am sure most of the people in that hall in Barcelona are "rolling in it",it goes with the job,but who is to say they aren't "fans"????? Does being a banker preclude you from really loving their music any more than being a chiropractor,a dentist, a shopgirl or a factory worker???? We are talking about "taste" here, not about "means"...

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jostorm wrote:
I just don't see why most here call the bankers wankers,

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Gazza wrote:


because it makes for a nice rhyme and because the Stones said they are in a song.....

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jostorm wrote:


And 2) To still see Rock'n Roll bands 40 years later as having anything to do with anti-establishmentarianism AT ALL is fairly naive. The bands who don't make it, perhaps, but the ones who do???? Sorry Nasty Habits, you are very very eloquent, intelligent and articulate, but in my book you are also a tad naive in your expectations, or perhaps you are young and I am old and jaded ....

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Gazza wrote:
Fascinating summary by Bjornulf of the evening's events now on the IORR review page (it appears that the opportunist uber-fan Tony Little's 'account' of it has disappeared)

The most intriguing part for me is that, contrary to the 'some of these folks WERE fans who had networked their way in' assertion, it appears that none of the guests were even aware who the 'cabaret' would be until the Stones hit the stage...



IORR Comments:

The Stones performed a private show in front of some 700 people connected to Deutche Bank tonight. It was a set of 14 songs, starting with "Start Me Up" and ending with "Satisfaction". Also they did songs such as "Ruby Tuesday" and "It's All Over Now". This was a private arrangement. You will not read anything about this show in the press. However, IORR was there, and this is the whole story...

Deutche Bank is having their meetings for top level management and selected VIP clients annual in Barcelona. The meetings are business oriented like a conference. Then like any other business conference there is a gala dinner, where everybody gather for a grand dinner. In the past Deutche Bank have been using Barcelona and the surrounding area several times, also the venue they used this time, the museum, and in the past they have had performers like Kylie Minogue.

The entertainment part of the dinner was kept secret. Nobody knew. And to be honest quite a few of the attendees cared as much for the business and the social part as for whoever would be performing. The conference was held at the Arts Hotel in Barcelona, and the attendees were told to gather in the lobby at 8pm for the arrangement, the dinner.

Buses trasported the guests the few km drive uphill to the Olympic Montjuice park, where the museum is, right below and in front of the Olympic Stadium, where the Stones performed just a few weeks ago. As they arrived posters was held on display saying "Dinner". No signs of Deutche Bank or "Stones". All of this was very private and secret indeed.

As they arrived, two security people were checking their silver guitar shaped wristbands telling they were allowed into this private arrangement, and then they walked the red carpet up for welcome drinks. The whole arrangement was decorated in black and discrete red. Black as sort of secret and discrete, red as sort of VIP.

The dinner was set for the Sala Oval of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya - "MNAC". This is a large theatre with a floor and an upstars balcony style seating area that can take may be 500 people. Nobody ever used the seated area. The bank just used the floor of the hall, where 60-70 round tables seating 11 people each was all set for the gala dinner.

As the dinner was finishing close to 11pm, the guests were told to leave their seats, some tables were moved slightly away from the stage, black curtains were dropped to hide the tables, and this was now soon to become a rock show for some 700 bank people that were lucky to be connected the right way for this arrangement.

The lighting and show set up was very different for this show. With a historic and old building like this one you might think they would do it like the Brixton or Olympia theathre shows, but this was not so. It was more like a show with "Pet Shop Boys". Neon style lights, still very nicely and decorating, fitting in with the black style of the rest, also as many were still dressed a bit black business style, but as you can see from the pictures, some left the tie behind at the hotel.

The show started shortly before 11pm. The Stones performed for 1 hour 25 minutes. Keith planned to do "Happy" as his first song, but he changed last minute into "You Got The Silver".

Some 50 or so fans was outside the side doors, hoping that the bank people had mercy on them but with no luck. Half a dozed high heel Swedish models were allowed in thhrough the same back doors because they were "the gift from the Stones to the bank", as Mick said when they were introduced during the show.

The museum security people was the nicest people of the evening, as they opened one of the side doors so that the fans outside actually could hear what was performed. They also took mobile phones from the fans into the venue, and made brief recordings during "I'll Go Crazy", as you can see available on the net now.

Was it a great show? For sure. Any Stones show is great. But they missed the most important part. The fans. The show cost Deutche Bank four million Euro or so but it probably cost more in loss of goodwill, may be for the bank, may be for the Stones. Most fans don't like these kinds of private shows, as you can see from the IORR Tell Me reports about the Barcelona show and private shows in general.


possibilities are endless it seems?

i'm gonna keep a low profile until the England gigs,good review though by IORR





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Gazza wrote:
Fascinating summary by Bjornulf of the evening's events now on the IORR review page (it appears that the opportunist uber-fan Tony Little's 'account' of it has disappeared)

The most intriguing part for me is that, contrary to the 'some of these folks WERE fans who had networked their way in' assertion, it appears that none of the guests were even aware who the 'cabaret' would be until the Stones hit the stage...



IORR Comments:

The Stones performed a private show in front of some 700 people connected to Deutche Bank tonight. It was a set of 14 songs, starting with "Start Me Up" and ending with "Satisfaction". Also they did songs such as "Ruby Tuesday" and "It's All Over Now". This was a private arrangement. You will not read anything about this show in the press. However, IORR was there, and this is the whole story...

Deutche Bank is having their meetings for top level management and selected VIP clients annual in Barcelona. The meetings are business oriented like a conference. Then like any other business conference there is a gala dinner, where everybody gather for a grand dinner. In the past Deutche Bank have been using Barcelona and the surrounding area several times, also the venue they used this time, the museum, and in the past they have had performers like Kylie Minogue.

The entertainment part of the dinner was kept secret. Nobody knew. And to be honest quite a few of the attendees cared as much for the business and the social part as for whoever would be performing. The conference was held at the Arts Hotel in Barcelona, and the attendees were told to gather in the lobby at 8pm for the arrangement, the dinner.

Buses trasported the guests the few km drive uphill to the Olympic Montjuice park, where the museum is, right below and in front of the Olympic Stadium, where the Stones performed just a few weeks ago. As they arrived posters was held on display saying "Dinner". No signs of Deutche Bank or "Stones". All of this was very private and secret indeed.

As they arrived, two security people were checking their silver guitar shaped wristbands telling they were allowed into this private arrangement, and then they walked the red carpet up for welcome drinks. The whole arrangement was decorated in black and discrete red. Black as sort of secret and discrete, red as sort of VIP.

The dinner was set for the Sala Oval of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya - "MNAC". This is a large theatre with a floor and an upstars balcony style seating area that can take may be 500 people. Nobody ever used the seated area. The bank just used the floor of the hall, where 60-70 round tables seating 11 people each was all set for the gala dinner.

As the dinner was finishing close to 11pm, the guests were told to leave their seats, some tables were moved slightly away from the stage, black curtains were dropped to hide the tables, and this was now soon to become a rock show for some 700 bank people that were lucky to be connected the right way for this arrangement.

The lighting and show set up was very different for this show. With a historic and old building like this one you might think they would do it like the Brixton or Olympia theathre shows, but this was not so. It was more like a show with "Pet Shop Boys". Neon style lights, still very nicely and decorating, fitting in with the black style of the rest, also as many were still dressed a bit black business style, but as you can see from the pictures, some left the tie behind at the hotel.

The show started shortly before 11pm. The Stones performed for 1 hour 25 minutes. Keith planned to do "Happy" as his first song, but he changed last minute into "You Got The Silver".

Some 50 or so fans was outside the side doors, hoping that the bank people had mercy on them but with no luck. Half a dozed high heel Swedish models were allowed in thhrough the same back doors because they were "the gift from the Stones to the bank", as Mick said when they were introduced during the show.

The museum security people was the nicest people of the evening, as they opened one of the side doors so that the fans outside actually could hear what was performed. They also took mobile phones from the fans into the venue, and made brief recordings during "I'll Go Crazy", as you can see available on the net now.

Was it a great show? For sure. Any Stones show is great. But they missed the most important part. The fans. The show cost Deutche Bank four million Euro or so but it probably cost more in loss of goodwill, may be for the bank, may be for the Stones. Most fans don't like these kinds of private shows, as you can see from the IORR Tell Me reports about the Barcelona show and private shows in general.





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jostorm wrote:

And the half dozen swedish models??? What's THAT all about??? Mick testing to see if Saville Row suitmakers allowed the bankers enough room for the erection of tents??? If we'd known that I could have let you have some old high heels and the blonde wig you refused to don at the Lucinda Williams, and we would both have been in, I've heard bankers can't count when blondes are concerned....

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Nasty Habits wrote:


May be that I am younger than you but definitely over 30, jos, and getting older all the time. As far as my expectations, I'm not sure I have any, but then again I might. I don't think I am an an idealist so much as I am something much worse - an aesthete.

I got into this thread because I found Fiji's question of who wouldn't do what the Stones do (inexact paraphrase, Feej - I know) intriguing, and I threw out a name. I stayed around to argue semantics for a while, based around a performer who hasn't put out a new record I loved for more than a decade. And while you can say that recent albums like "Living with War" were marketed towards antibush boomers who were the same outraged "let's gettum" tickets that bought "Let's Roll" around 9/11 you can also say that NY sincerely felt both things when he wrote them. And you can point out that Greendale, which was marketed to no one in particular, was weird and alienating and performed by a guy who didn't really seem to care whether people liked it or not. He is obviously doing this stuff for himself, his own sense of ego, and his faith in his creativity, right or wrong. And it is this belief where my true ideals lie, so while I don't like any of the records mentioned above, I respect the spirit they were created in. Wouldn't pay to go see him, though. Done it.

Of course, the Stones can't be so consistently inconsitent as Neil Young because their leader is such a laser focused and intelligently cutthroat mother of a man, and apparently their principal genius musician is too wasted to assert any musical control over the direction of and sound of the band, or maybe he has just given up, or doesn't care.

But here we come to another one of my big aeshete type objects with the behavior of the modern Stones. I didn't hate Bigger Bang like some did, in fact rather liked it at first, still do in parts, because I always like hearing the band play and hearing them interact with each other. I love them as musicians. Interacting with the musicians around you is what musicians do - it is hey, music. I do not hear them interacting on stage. I hear them hitting their parts and getting through the night, but not together. Nowadays, no doubt, as evinced by your wonderful Isle of Wight review, it is all about the exchange of energy between band and audience, and I've been there and I've seen that and it is great, but it ain't, to me, music.

And that "stick it to the man" stuff in the SS thread? Sardonic reference to "School of Rock". "Fuck you, I do what I want" is actually the rock 'n' roll stance I prefer.

It's possible that my relative youth is part of my problem - I have absorbed the Stones into my system over only half of the time it took them to play themselves out. By the time I got there, it was, for all intents and purposes artistically over. It is extremely difficult to reconcile the mythical monsters of the 60s and early 70s that roam my imagination with the corporate mongers of today - the continuum is too narrow. Perhaps were I a little older and my own experience of the band was stretched over another decade or so I would be less exacting and more in tune.



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LMAO, Jo! Now there are a few mental images I'll have a hard time getting out of my head. Yikes!

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jostorm wrote:

We would have asked you to be our make-up artist that evening, of course....

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