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21st July 2006 12:54 PM
Ten Thousand Motels The Rolling Stones owe it all to black music, says Professor

Category: uk Dated: 20/07/2006

Dr Paul Oliver, who has spent decades researching and tracing black American blues music has donated his collection to the University of Gloucestershire.

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The Rolling Stones were probably the greatest example of a band influenced by The Blues...They all owe it to black music which can be traced back to The Blues, jazz, gospel and to the songs of the slave generation.

In conjunction with the European Blues Association, the University will become a curator to the prolific collection of books, papers, recordings, sheet music, musical instruments and interviews.

The collection started in the 1950s consists of literally tens of thousands of items and represents a lifetime of work for Paul Oliver - one of the world’s leading authorities on The Blues.

This collection is thought to be the biggest single collection of its type outside the US and features interviews, fieldwork and research, tracing the origins and development of African American music and culture from slavery through to the twentieth century.

Amanda Palmer, Chairperson of the Cheltenham based European Blues Association [EBA] added: “The housing of the Paul Oliver Collection at the University of Gloucestershire is both a fitting and timely tribute to Paul Oliver and acknowledges the life long work in tracing and researching Black American Blues music and its related traditions. Many of us owe him a great debt for bringing this rich history to us.”

Oliver was also honoured by the EBA [European Blues Association] and Philadelphia musician Jerry Ricks who provided a recent musical tribute to the Blues authority.

Professor Neil Wynn from the Department of Humanities at the University of Gloucestershire told Black Britain: “We were approached about the collection three years ago. At the time we had an American studies programme running but we’re also developing American history, courses in popular music, American literature, Race and things like that. So it was a very important collection from our point of view.”

Professor Wynn is also extremely keen to place the legacy of Paul Oliver into context for those who don’t know much about the man. Wynn explains that Oliver is still alive in his 70s and very active.

Oliver was one of the first people to start writing about black American music – writing in particular about The Blues and Jazz. He was also “a very major collector of material of information” and has made huge contributions to writing about The Blues, his connections with Africa, his significance in the world as a whole, his importance in the United States and his contributions to popular music.

Professor Wynn told Black Britain: “He’s a very significant and important writer. He has written numerous books, the most important being Blues Fell This Morning, but he’s written umpteenth books since. He is a very major figure in the field, respected across the world."

Most popular contemporary music has its roots in The Blues - a fact that has been agreed upon by almost all respected music historians.







Blacks created rock n roll


Dr Paul Oliver
Blues will never die. There will always be Blues because of the influence that it had on all modern popular [music] forms.

Michael Roach, Director of Development at EBA
Kurt Cobain, one of the America’s greatest Rock and Roll artists of the century, wrote in his published journals: “I like the comfort in knowing that the Afro American invented Rock and Roll. Yet has only been rewarded or awarded for their accomplishments when conforming to the white man’s standards. ..The Afro American has once again been the only race that has brought us a new form of original music to the decade (ie. hip hop, rap)”

Professor Wynn agrees with these sentiments wholeheartedly. He told Black Britain: “The Rolling Stones were probably the greatest example of a band influenced by The Blues. But it’s gone all the way through black culture and has developed into hip hop and now we have all these white hip hop bands. They all owe it to black music which can be traced back to The Blues, jazz, gospel and to the work songs of the slave generation.”

The Professor also remains steadfast that The Blues will always be around: “Every generation discovers it again. Today we have people like Robert Cray and jazz musicians like Jamie Cullin and Jools Holland, influenced by The Blues. So it’s not going to die but its changing and is becoming modernised, more popular and accessible. But I don’t think that it will ever really totally die out,” he said.

Michael Roach, Director of Development, EBA [European Blues Association], also feels that the legacy of Paul Oliver should be commemorated.

Roach told Black Britain: “Paul is one of the leading researchers on Blues, music and black subject matter for at least the past 40 years. A lot of people wouldn’t know anything about The Blues at all if it wasn’t for the books, articles and radio broadcasts that he published during this time.”

Roach is adamant that The Blues will never die due to the amount of Rock and Roll stars and other musicians who owe “a debt” to the Blues.

Roach told Black Britain: “Blues will never die. There will always be Blues because of the influence that it had on all modern popular [music] forms. Blues won’t be popular as it was in its heyday but it will always be there - people will want to use and borrow from it and find their own voice.”

Blues legend Sam Myers died in Dallas on Monday of throat cancer and the University Press of Mississippi has announced that it will publish the autobiography of the late bluesman in October.

The autobiography, Sam Myers: The Blues is My Story, is co-authored by Myers and Jeff Horton, a blues musician and journalist active in the Texas music scene.

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21st July 2006 12:55 PM
Saint Sway
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
The Rolling Stones owe it all to black music, says Professor

Category: uk Dated: 20/07/2006

Dr Paul Oliver, who has spent decades researching and tracing black American blues music has donated hs collection of to the University of Gloucestershire.




it took him decades to figure this out???

and he calls himself a professor
21st July 2006 12:57 PM
Some Guy word.
21st July 2006 12:58 PM
glencar For once, I'm in agreement with Fung sway. This prof should be canned.
21st July 2006 01:07 PM
Ten Thousand Motels Don't blame the prof that this introduction was badly written.
21st July 2006 01:12 PM
glencar No, that's your fault.
21st July 2006 01:18 PM
Saint Sway in terms of the Stones making black music popular/acceptable in white America, you could make the argument that black musicians owe more to the Stones than the Stones owe to them.
21st July 2006 01:29 PM
pdog I owe everything to the hard work of black people!
21st July 2006 02:50 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
in terms of the Stones making black music popular/acceptable in white America, you could make the argument that black musicians owe more to the Stones than the Stones owe to them.



Yes, that's a valid point. You could also make the arguement that Stone's fans owe Cohl a great deal for having brought the Stones out of retirement and kept them on the road.
21st July 2006 02:52 PM
pdog See how The Jews and Blacks realtionships benefit everyone!
21st July 2006 04:28 PM
the good
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
in terms of the Stones making black music popular/acceptable in white America, you could make the argument that black musicians owe more to the Stones than the Stones owe to them.



In terms of making black music more popular to white audiences, yes, but that's not the way in which most people frame the discussion. The notion that the Stones "owe" something to black american musicians is based on the fact that their sound was very heavily influenced by them, whereas the reverse is not true. At least, not in many cases.
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21st July 2006 04:38 PM
pdog
quote:
the good wrote:


In terms of making black music more popular to white audiences, yes, but that's not the way in which most people frame the discussion. The notion that the Stones "owe" something to black american musicians is based on the fact that their sound was very heavily influenced by them, whereas the reverse is not true. At least, not in many cases.
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Wu Tang cited Exile On Main St. as the record that most influenced them!
21st July 2006 09:33 PM
Soldatti Fact professor.
21st July 2006 10:15 PM
Kilroy Thank you
Chuck Berry ,
Little Richard,
Bo Didlly,
Joe Turner,
James Brown,
Professor Long Hair,
Fats Domino,
and ETC ETC ETC ETC Thank you again.
Heres the Money..........in the form of royality checks , unless you sold your rights to your songs. Or had them stolen.
22nd July 2006 12:57 AM
Mahatma Kane Jeeves Will the liberal press report this as fact?
22nd July 2006 02:18 AM
Altamont
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pdog wrote:


Wu Tang cited Exile On Main St. as the record that most influenced them!





Are you serious or BS'ing? I actually like the First Wu album and the solo stuff from Ol Dirty Bastard, Raekwon and GZA.
22nd July 2006 03:28 AM
pdog
quote:
Altamont wrote:




Are you serious or BS'ing? I actually like the First Wu album and the solo stuff from Ol Dirty Bastard, Raekwon and GZA.



Very much joking around!
22nd July 2006 03:41 AM
Altamont
quote:
pdog wrote:


Very much joking around!



OK, I was wondering cuz I remember reading some interview with one of the Clan and they said they grew up listening to classic Stones shit while puffin joints with their mom.
22nd July 2006 09:53 AM
corgi37 Didnt everyone do that?
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