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Some of these comments have been just been fuckin stupid, I actually thought people were not so extreme on here, kill the muslims, eye for an eye etc bomb this country, fuck the french, germans etc. That is the type of simplistic retarted shite you get from Fox News.[...]
Well, reinforcing your comment, in fact it would be something like "every muslim is a terrorist" and "every German is a Nazi". IMHO, it's nonsense. I really don't feel comfortable giving my opinions in such threads, and I don't have the intention of join a political discussion, even being interested in politics, that was just my humble comment. |
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It will be hard and messy but what other choice do we have?
BTW, calling Bush a mass murdering terrorist makes you look coo coo for Coco Puffs.
true, and truer.
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Thank you for a voice of sanity, Scot. Since you're not an American you can't be accused of being un-American, a charge always leveled against me.
The thing is, none of these Fox-News neocon chickenhawks seem to realize that THEY are enabling the terrorists to win.
You aren't un-American FPM, you are just a limp-wrister
with no suggestions only criticism.
You can't play soccer when half the people want to play basketball. You and Scot Rocks offer ZERO solutions except criticism. Wonderful. That will stop terror
The terrorists want to come to Scot Rocks house, slit his throat, behead every relative, gang rape every women in his town, smash his Stones collection, hang every person in his town because they aren't radical Muslims, throw their dead corpses on a big bon fire and have a party
And Scot Rocks solution is to invite the terrorists over for tea and cookies and say what a mass murder Bush is
Scot says: "These people are no different from us, they are the exact same and the fact that thousands die each year because of famine and poverty should make us concentrate on alleviating that."
Congratulations, you have just stated the dumbest thing in the brief history of the internet
Pull your head out of your ass and wake up. Do you get the BBC? CNN? A newspaper? There was a big bombing against civilians in London yesterday Scot. Check it out
There have been spineless people around since the beginning of time and sadly it seems there still are today
Scot, did you hug a terrorist today?
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You aren't un-American FPM, you are just a limp-wrister
with no suggestions only criticism.
I have lots of suggestions - I suggested NOT invading Iraq, for instance.
Y'know, you people kill me. It's like you're playing a game of chess, and I'm watching, and you're going to make a stupid move, and I say "I wouldn't do that if I was you," but you do it anyway. Then you think of an even worse move and I say "ooooh, are you SURE you wanna do that?" And you go ahead and do it anyway. Another stupid move that I counseled against and guess what? You're in check. Then you look at me and say "NOW what, smart guy?"
I have no idea how to fix the mess your hero has made of things, but you know what? It wouldn't matter if I did because I'm not the fucking President. I'm a guy on a message board. A ROLLING STONES message board at that. I'm an American, whether you aprove of my citizenship or not, and it's my right to say things are fucked up - especially when there are a lot of Fox News-watching bozos saying the exact opposite.
Anyone who suggests anything except killing people is a "limp-wrister". Guess what? Your pathetic macho posturing and flag waving and sword rattling has achieved nothing except getting a lot more people killed. A few years ago George Bush said "Bring 'em on!" Hey, that was a GREAT line, just like in a western! Well, yesterday was one of the days that he got what he asked for.
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You can't play soccer when half the people want to play basketball.
Right. So moving our gigantic conventional army into the middle of a hornet's nest to fight TERRORISTS is fucking stupid. I said that before he did it, if you want to check the archives. Yesterday proved that the whole "We fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" rationale for the war is as stupid as it sounds.
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The terrorists want to come to Scot Rocks house, slit his throat, behead every relative, gang rape every women in his town, smash his Stones collection, hang every person in his town because they aren't radical Muslims, throw their dead corpses on a big bon fire and have a party
And Scot Rocks solution is to invite the terrorists over for tea and cookies and say what a mass murder Bush is
Oh, so you buy into the "the terrorists hate our FREEDOM" story. You know, I can never tell how much of Bush's hogwash you guys believe, because SOME of you just seem too smart to swallow it. I always figure that you guys have some inkling of what the REAL story is, and you're agreeing with THAT. Whatever it is. If that's the case I wish someone would give us all a glimmer.
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Scot says: "These people are no different from us, they are the exact same and the fact that thousands die each year because of famine and poverty should make us concentrate on alleviating that." Congratulations, you have just stated the dumbest thing in the brief history of the internet
I believe, if you would actually read what Scot said, that he was talking about the innocent victims of the proposed reprisal bombings you guys were all gleefully advocating. NOT the terrorists. Pull your head out of your ass and react to what's said, not what you thought you read.
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There have been spineless people around since the beginning of time and sadly it seems there still are today
OK, well, I would suggest invading some Arab country which wasn't involved in yesterday's cowardly attack, except we can't because our army is tied down in Iraq and will be for the next ???? years. Would that be manly enough for you? Bomb 'em back into the stone age! Turn the sand to glass! and all that other cliched macho bile you guys love to puke up at moments like this.
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Scot, did you hug a terrorist today?
Good one. I'm sure all your right wing chicken hawk buddies are high-fiving your brilliant bon mot.
Sorry, but the only way YOUR plan works is if we kill EVERYONE in the world who's not American, and I just don't think it's feasible. Sorry if that's too limp - wristed for you.
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Well, reinforcing your comment, in fact it would be something like "every muslim is a terrorist" and "every German is a Nazi". IMHO, it's nonsense. I really don't feel comfortable giving my opinions in such threads, and I don't have the intention of join a political discussion, even being interested in politics, that was just my humble comment.
I don't believe I've said every Arab is a terrorist. If whoever is searching the archives for FPM's silly pre-war warnings comes across my defenses of the Palestinians in re Israel, it'd be much appreciated. Lamenting things w/o offering up a better way to do things is a piss poor way to operate. |
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I have lots of suggestions - I suggested NOT invading Iraq, for instance.
Y'know, you people kill me. It's like you're playing a game of chess, and I'm watching, and you're going to make a stupid move, and I say "I wouldn't do that if I was you," but you do it anyway. Then you think of an even worse move and I say "ooooh, are you SURE you wanna do that?" And you go ahead and do it anyway. Another stupid move that I counseled against and guess what? You're in check. Then you look at me and say "NOW what, smart guy?"
I have no idea how to fix the mess your hero has made of things, but you know what? It wouldn't matter if I did because I'm not the fucking President. I'm a guy on a message board. A ROLLING STONES message board at that. I'm an American, whether you aprove of my citizenship or not, and it's my right to say things are fucked up - especially when there are a lot of Fox News-watching bozos saying the exact opposite.
Anyone who suggests anything except killing people is a "limp-wrister". Guess what? Your pathetic macho posturing and flag waving and sword rattling has achieved nothing except getting a lot more people killed. A few years ago George Bush said "Bring 'em on!" Hey, that was a GREAT line, just like in a western! Well, yesterday was one of the days that he got what he asked for.
Right. So moving our gigantic conventional army into the middle of a hornet's nest to fight TERRORISTS is fucking stupid. I said that before he did it, if you want to check the archives. Yesterday proved that the whole "We fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" rationale for the war is as stupid as it sounds.
Oh, so you buy into the "the terrorists hate our FREEDOM" story. You know, I can never tell how much of Bush's hogwash you guys believe, because SOME of you just seem too smart to swallow it. I always figure that you guys have some inkling of what the REAL story is, and you're agreeing with THAT. Whatever it is. If that's the case I wish someone would give us all a glimmer.
I believe, if you would actually read what Scot said, that he was talking about the innocent victims of the proposed reprisal bombings you guys were all gleefully advocating. NOT the terrorists. Pull your head out of your ass and react to what's said, not what you thought you read.
OK, well, I would suggest invading some Arab country which wasn't involved in yesterday's cowardly attack, except we can't because our army is tied down in Iraq and will be for the next ???? years. Would that be manly enough for you? Bomb 'em back into the stone age! Turn the sand to glass! and all that other cliched macho bile you guys love to puke up at moments like this.
Good one. I'm sure all your right wing chicken hawk buddies are high-fiving your brilliant bon mot.
Sorry, but the only way YOUR plan works is if we kill EVERYONE in the world who's not American, and I just don't think it's feasible. Sorry if that's too limp - wristed for you.
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There is life in US.
Thank you FPM C10. You made me change my mind about American pple.
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Here's what I love about the American people: The pizza place down the hill from my house is flying a Union Jack today alongside Old Glory. |
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“Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.”
FPM you see that part about Afghanistan? This is from the people claiming responsibility for the bombing.
We weren’t in Iraq or Afghan when your buddies flew planes into our buildings. I am sure you and Al Qeada have some justifiable grievance. SEE THE PART ABOUT AFGHAN? If we never went into Iraq your friends would still have attacked yesterday just like they did on 9/11 and the five major terror attacks prior to Afghan and Iraq invasions. FLEA – WORD – THEY WANT TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A RADICAL MUSLIM.
“I have lots of suggestions - I suggested NOT invading Iraq, for instance”
Howe about another- you have been spouting that for two years now. Come up with 1 (one) single new suggestion as howe to deal with people that hate you more than they love their own lives or families. Put on your thinking cap because this problem was here before Bush and Blair and will be here after Bush and Blair
Again, SEE ABOVE ABOUT AFGHANISTAN which you claim you were for
“I have no idea how to fix the mess your hero has made of things, but you know what? It wouldn't matter if I did because I'm not the fucking President. I'm a guy on a message board.”
If that is your weak-ass attempt at avoiding then why does 95% of your posts contain anti-Bush or political crap if you are “a guy on a message board?”
Good lord is that weak. Grow a pair. BTW why didn’t your hero Clinton do anything when the US was attacked 5 (five) times prior to 9-11 during his terms?
“I'm an American, whether you aprove of my citizenship or not, and it's my right to say things are fucked up - especially when there are a lot of Fox News-watching bozos saying the exact opposite.”
I am sure when you are on the Al Qaeda website, Mother Jones or any host of leftie websites you are getting the full news. Approve of your citizenship? You were the one crying you would leave the US if you could afford it. I offered to loan you money to leave. You said “fuck off!” Make up your mind
“Your pathetic macho posturing and flag waving and sword rattling has achieved nothing except getting a lot more people killed”
I say 28 million Iraqis and 25 million Afghans disagree. I am sure your Al Qaeda buddies weren’t happy but tuff tits. What has your pathetic spineless burying your head (your approach) ever achieved? More attacks.
“A few years ago George Bush said "Bring 'em on!" Hey, that was a GREAT line, just like in a western! Well, yesterday was one of the days that he got what he asked for.”
Damn straight. He said that about the terrorists in Iraq. You would rather have commuters in London and NY fight your friends. I would rather have the US Marines, Royal Marines, Royal Air Force, etc fight the terrorists.
“Right. So moving our gigantic conventional army into the middle of a hornet's nest to fight TERRORISTS is fucking stupid.”
See above. Where would you like the military to fight them. Your house? London subway? Scots Rocks house? Please advise. You go where the enemy is.
”Sorry, but the only way YOUR plan works is if we kill EVERYONE in the world who's not American, and I just don't think it's feasible. Sorry if that's too limp - wristed for you.”
It is too limp wrested, weak, naïve and ignorant. Not EVERYONE just the terrorists. If that is too macho for you, too bad
Let us know when you come up with a solution to fight terror, not hide from and ignore, but fight terror
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Failure To Deal With The Deadly Enemy
Friday, July 08, 2005
By Bill O'Reilly
The "Talking Points Memo" this evening is about sanitizing terror, failing to deal realistically with the deadly enemy. This morning, I was having breakfast in Killarney, Ireland when the terror attack news broke. My first thought was al Qaeda (search) trying to disrupt theG-8 (search) summit in Scotland. My second thought was now maybe Europe will wise up. The terrorists are the evildoers, not the USA.
That is probably wishful thinking. Generally speaking, the European media is viciously anti-American when it comes to the war on terror. The garbage these people are throwing out to a largely clueless public is astounding. Failed leaders like Chirac (search) in France and Schroeder (search) in Germany also pound home the anti-American theme to divert attention away from their own disastrous administrations.
But now the terrorists have struck again. 9/11 (search), Madrid, today London. If all of the anti-U.S. bitterness were redirected into anti- terror bitterness, the world might defeat these savages. We all know which major countries allow terrorists to operate. Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and to a lesser extent, Pakistan and Indonesia.
Why isn't the European press condemning those countries? Why doesn't Europe admit Saddam's regime helped terrorists all day long? Why won't the world help the struggling democracy in Iraq?
These are powerful questions. And this London terror attack should get those questions on the front burner where they belong. But don't expect the elite American media to ask them.
A few days ago, Edward Wong, a reporter for the New York Times (search), described Abu al Zarqawi (search) as a "Jordanian fighter." Can you believe an American newspaper would print that? Al Zarqawi is a vicious al Qaeda killer, a man who beheads civilians and orders the murders of women and children. And the New York Times calls this guy a Jordanian fighter? That kind of sanitizing terrorism must stop! The American people, you, must demand that it stop.
The anti-American press both here and in Europe is actually helping the terrorists by diminishing their threat. "Talking Points" urges you to begin holding people accountable for their position on the terror war. Walk away from media that excuses or sanitizes these brutal acts.
USA is not the problem in this world. The terrorists are. And if you don't agree with that, you are helping killers like al Zarqawi. Enough's enough. London should be the last straw. And that's “The Memo.”
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I'm not thrilled with how the Iraq War has dragged on & I think we amde many mistakes there but the American Left seems to love to jump on the slightest evidence of American malfeasance in order to dismiss Bush as a fascist. I wonder why the clamor about Camp Gitmo/Abu Graib has suddenly died down. Make no mistake: these people despise America. |
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I'm not thrilled with how the Iraq War has dragged on & I think we amde many mistakes there but the American Left seems to love to jump on the slightest evidence of American malfeasance in order to dismiss Bush as a fascist. I wonder why the clamor about Camp Gitmo/Abu Graib has suddenly died down. Make no mistake: these people despise America.
I made my prior post to political
Point is THEY WANT TO KILL ALL OF US BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THEM. That applies to everyone in the world who is not militant muslim, including Muslims
Howe many Muslims were killed yesterday? There were 150 Muslims killed on 9-11. Saddam killed more Muslims than any person in history.
These people are simply mass murderers hiding under a religion. It is just pure evil. Remember the Russian school murders last year?
I was no fan of Clinton but it wasn't his fault that they hate us and attacked us 5 times while he was Prez.
Same for the Socialist Mayor of London or anybody else from any country
They hate us )civilized people) because we have free elections, Rolling Stones concerts, booze, internet, freedom to speak, vacations, our women aren't led around like one of nanky's sheep, education, hospitals, freedom to worship or NOT to worship, etc.
The issue is what to do about them (terrorists) and that is where the argument starts
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The issue is what to do about them (terrorists) and that is where the argument starts
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getting "rid" of terrorism requires the leaders of the west getting their heads around the fact that post 9/11 we are playing a whole new ball game - the west is countering an amorphous protean foe whose heirachry (or lack) makes them an opponent almost impossible to identify. the use of the term al-queada is itself misleading as it implies these people are some kind of unified group working in concert. My guess is they are not. trying to counter this with convential "top down" heirachies such as the armed forces or intelligence agencies is not going to work. to borrow telecasters sporting analogy there's no point trying to beat someone at baseball when they're playing basketball
why did "they" get away with the recent bombing? - because western intelligence has failed and can't keep up
the only way, as i see it, that we are ever going to get on top of this problem (if we ever do - let's face it "terrorism" has been around in one form or another forever - it's just that these days the impact can be on such a mind-bogglingly large scale) - is to infiltrate their "ranks" and undermine them from the inside. the "set a thief to catch a thief" play - put fear and doubt into them by making them wonder if their colloborators are truly one of them - sow the seeds of mistrust and discontent in their own "organizations"
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I maybe 'just another guy on a Stones message board' but why do we need oil so badly anyway? Maybe 100 years ago it might have been a 'necessity' but nowadays surely technology has advanced far enough that we don't need to fight for that sort of primative shit? |
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Jumping Jack wrote:
Failure To Deal With The Deadly Enemy
Friday, July 08, 2005
By Bill O'Reilly
The "Talking Points Memo" this evening is about sanitizing terror, failing to deal realistically with the deadly enemy. This morning, I was having breakfast in Killarney, Ireland when the terror attack news broke. My first thought was al Qaeda (search) trying to disrupt theG-8 (search) summit in Scotland. My second thought was now maybe Europe will wise up. The terrorists are the evildoers, not the USA.
That is probably wishful thinking. Generally speaking, the European media is viciously anti-American when it comes to the war on terror. The garbage these people are throwing out to a largely clueless public is astounding. Failed leaders like Chirac (search) in France and Schroeder (search) in Germany also pound home the anti-American theme to divert attention away from their own disastrous administrations.
But now the terrorists have struck again. 9/11 (search), Madrid, today London. If all of the anti-U.S. bitterness were redirected into anti- terror bitterness, the world might defeat these savages. We all know which major countries allow terrorists to operate. Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and to a lesser extent, Pakistan and Indonesia.
Why isn't the European press condemning those countries? Why doesn't Europe admit Saddam's regime helped terrorists all day long? Why won't the world help the struggling democracy in Iraq?
These are powerful questions. And this London terror attack should get those questions on the front burner where they belong. But don't expect the elite American media to ask them.
A few days ago, Edward Wong, a reporter for the New York Times (search), described Abu al Zarqawi (search) as a "Jordanian fighter." Can you believe an American newspaper would print that? Al Zarqawi is a vicious al Qaeda killer, a man who beheads civilians and orders the murders of women and children. And the New York Times calls this guy a Jordanian fighter? That kind of sanitizing terrorism must stop! The American people, you, must demand that it stop.
The anti-American press both here and in Europe is actually helping the terrorists by diminishing their threat. "Talking Points" urges you to begin holding people accountable for their position on the terror war. Walk away from media that excuses or sanitizes these brutal acts.
USA is not the problem in this world. The terrorists are. And if you don't agree with that, you are helping killers like al Zarqawi. Enough's enough. London should be the last straw. And that's “The Memo.”
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Ignorance is Strength
Weakness is ignorance
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[quote]stonedinaustralia wrote:
the only way, as i see it, that we are ever going to get on top of this problem (if we ever do - let's face it "terrorism" has been around in one form or another forever - it's just that these days the impact can be on such a mind-bogglingly large scale) - is to infiltrate their "ranks" and undermine them from the inside.
Well under way.
Over a year ago we set up a sting consisting of men trying to buy shoulder fired missles. They were caught in NYC with the help of Russian agents. There is a slew of shit going on now that will chill your spine when it's made public in 20 years. Same stuff is going on with nukes. All sorts of cooperation with clandestine ops with the western powers. Even the French! Check in with www.frontpagemag.com often. Believe me, the best shot they had was pre 9/11 and the year afterwards. Now, every year that goes by we are getting better and better at this stuff. No thanks to the Dirty, scaly liberals...
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FPM you see that part about Afghanistan? This is from the people claiming responsibility for the bombing.
We weren’t in Iraq or Afghan when your buddies flew planes into our buildings.
Fuck you, you self-righteous cretin. How dare you imply such a monstrous lie? Who the fuck do you think you are?
I have always tried to keep my political statements out of the gutter of personal attacks, the muck your type of hate-mongering breeds in. Fuck that. You're a fucking asshole, and you will issue an apology and retract your statements implying that I in any way condone these terrorist attacks. Then you can go slink off to Max's board with the rest of your ilk where you can joke about what countries you'll nuke.
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I am sure you and Al Qeada have some justifiable grievance. SEE THE PART ABOUT AFGHAN? If we never went into Iraq your friends would still have attacked yesterday just like they did on 9/11
You want me to "grow a pair"? If I ever meet you, you motherfucking asshole, I'll cram yours down your fucking throat. If you have any. What are YOU doing for the war on terror, since you agree with it so wholeheartedly? Just talking out your ass? Have you sent any of your children to war? ANY of you chickenhawks? From the top (Cheney) to the absolute bottom (that would be you) you are all willing to have others die for your muddled, ever-changing ideals. When it comes to personal sacrifice, well, I guess you're just a little too old yourself, and as for sending your own children...let's get real.
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and the five major terror attacks prior to Afghan and Iraq invasions. FLEA – WORD – THEY WANT TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A RADICAL MUSLIM.
Your deep understanding of the Muslim world and the psychology of terrorism is truly astounding. Did you learn it from Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity? "They hate us for our freedom". You really believe all this shit, don't you? Nothing that the US and our allies have done in the last 20 or 30 years in the Middle East had ANYTHING to do with it.
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“I have lots of suggestions - I suggested NOT invading Iraq, for instance”
Howe
Your repeated jr. high impugning of my manhood as it relates to my willingness to add blood to blood,aggression to aggression, insanity to insanity may reassure you as to your own questionble virility. To the rest of us it sounds shrill and loutish. As I've pointed out repeatedly, accusing a liberal of being a homosexual is just stupid, because we don't hate homosexuals. If I was gay I would tell everyone I was gay. I'm not. Howe about YOU?
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about another- you have been spouting that for two years now. Come up with 1 (one) single new suggestion as howe to deal with people that hate you more than they love their own lives or families. Put on your thinking cap because this problem was here before Bush and Blair and will be here after Bush and Blair
Again, SEE ABOVE ABOUT AFGHANISTAN which you claim you were for
This isn't some kind of a fucking game, and I'm not in Bush's cadre of yes-men. Why is it so important to you that _I_ solve your hero's problems? OK, how's this - since there was no stoppping Bush from invading Iraq, how about if he had actually PREPARED for it? Training people to speak the fucking language, for a start? Having a clue about what the immediate aftermath of the war was going to be like, instead of buying their own propaganda about being greeted as liberators and having Iraqi oil finance the war? How about adequately patrolling the borders - Iraq's AND ours, while we're on the subject? How about actually going after bin Laden and not just talking tough? We've got thousands of "suspects" in our prison camps - why aren't the bin Laden family there? We could've grabbed them. Why didn't we?
Here's a good one - how about choosing some prison BESIDES Abu Gharib to torture Iraqis in, since that's the same one Saddam used? Does it take a PR genius to figure that one out?
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If that is your weak-ass attempt at avoiding then why does 95% of your posts contain anti-Bush or political crap if you are “a guy on a message board?”
Grossly overstating your case doesn't help you anymore than it helps Bush. I have written thousands of words in the past week or so. Until today, very few were about your sacrosanct savior.
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Good lord is that weak. Grow a pair. BTW why didn’t your hero Clinton do anything when the US was attacked 5 (five) times prior to 9-11 during his terms?
More lies and distortions. I never hold Clinton up as a hero. He's ten times the president Bush pretends to be, but he's not in office right now, and I never talk about him. You guys need to find a new boogieman.
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“I'm an American, whether you aprove of my citizenship or not, and it's my right to say things are fucked up - especially when there are a lot of Fox News-watching bozos saying the exact opposite.”
I am sure when you are on the Al Qaeda website, Mother Jones or any host of leftie websites you are getting the full news. Approve of your citizenship? You were the one crying you would leave the US if you could afford it. I offered to loan you money to leave. You said “fuck off!” Make up your mind
I HAVE made up my mind. I'm not abandoning America to apes like you. I get news from normal sources - you guys' pathetic cries of a non-existent "liberal press" notwithstanding, I tend to read stories from a number of sources outside the US. The liberal press exists on satellite radio and you have to pay to hear it - I guess; I don't subscribe. I certainly don't go to al Qaeda websites. I don't have that kind of faith in my freedoms. The "press" which is laughably and absurdly biased and fabricated is Fox News, which all of the members of Bush's administration talk directly through. That in itself is so ridiculous that it would be funny, if this was some lame reality show and not the most powerful county on earth.
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I say 28 million Iraqis and 25 million Afghans disagree.
Like Bush strutting around the deck of the Abraham Lincoln in his toy soldier suit under the Mission Accomplished banner, your crowing is a bit premature and your numbers may be a bit off.
Why aren't any of you who buy into the whole "Freedom on the March" routine talking about any of the democratic elections in the region that didn't go the way Bush thought they should go? Do you people REALLY think everyone in the Middle East is going to turn into a fucking Republican?
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I am sure your Al Qaeda buddies weren’t happy but tuff tits.
Again, you fucking asshole, you will apologize. You're not on Max's board.
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What has your pathetic spineless burying your head (your approach) ever achieved? More attacks.
What did George W. Bush's manly invasion of Iraq achieve? More attacks. Thousands more dead added to the butcher's bill. And anyone who dares disgree with his ridiculous blundering is a terrorist...fuck you, asshole. You and your bungling warmongering "president" and all of his lying, criminal buddies.
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“A few years ago George Bush said "Bring 'em on!" Hey, that was a GREAT line, just like in a western! Well, yesterday was one of the days that he got what he asked for.”
Damn straight. He said that about the terrorists in Iraq. You would rather have commuters in London and NY fight your friends. I would rather have the US Marines, Royal Marines, Royal Air Force, etc fight the terrorists.
“Right. So moving our gigantic conventional army into the middle of a hornet's nest to fight TERRORISTS is fucking stupid.”
See above. Where would you like the military to fight them. Your house? London subway? Scots Rocks house? Please advise. You go where the enemy is.
You have all of the hallmarks of a Bush idiot - ignorance AND arrogance, with no shame. Tell me, are you also Born Again? Do you buy THAT whole angle of the story? Did God tell you it was okay to come on here and say the unforgivable things you've said here? Was it the same one who told Bush there would be no casualties in Iraq? Because that god is a liar and an asshole, like you.
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”Sorry, but the only way YOUR plan works is if we kill EVERYONE in the world who's not American, and I just don't think it's feasible. Sorry if that's too limp - wristed for you.”
It is too limp wrested, weak, naïve and ignorant. Not EVERYONE just the terrorists. If that is too macho for you, too bad
Let us know when you come up with a solution to fight terror, not hide from and ignore, but fight terror
Please read SIA's post regarding the insanity and stupidity of trying to fight terrorists with the 82nd Airborne. Or is he an Al Qaeda operative too? You have a mastery of history second only to Riffhard and his samuri sword, why don't you check out a few things like the American Revolution, Shaka Zulu, Ho Chi Minh...where an enemy couldn't prevail in conventional warfare, they fought unconventionally, and an opponent who rigidly refused to accept the reality of a shifting definition of warfare was doomed to defeat.
Al Qaeda doesn't plan on killing us one at a time with suicide carbombs, although you seem to think that's what's going on. Their main weapon is fear (no Spanish Inquisition jokes) and Bush has done nothing but aid and abet them with his color-coded non-specific paranoia-inducing "security". They incite blind hatred which blurs reasoning. They attack our financial centers because they are fighting us economically. To counter this we brilliantly started a war which will never end, will never be won, and which will bleed us white within our lifetime. They can defeat us simply by means of our dependence on the oil in their region, but no president of either party had the balls to buck the oil industry and develop alternate sources of energy. And it's too fucking late now. And if you think I don't blame this entire fucking mess on Bush, scion of oil billions in the pocket of the Saudis for generations, you're as stupid as he is. That sounds more hypothetical than it is, because I think you ARE as stupid as he is.
Now apologize, you asshole. Either you will apologize or I will get us both kicked the fuck off this board. YOU grow a pair, Tele. You fucking went too far.
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| LadyJane |
What is the point in trying to argue this issue RATIONALLY?
Absolutely futile, my friends.
This is bare bones Terror and Barbarism...no rational thinking allowed.
Howe sad...look at howe far we've come as a civilization. 
Yay for us!! 
LJ.
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| pdog |
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telecaster wrote:
You were the one crying you would leave the US if you could afford it. I offered to loan you money to leave. You said “fuck off!”
I'll take the loan. I'll use it to go to Chicago and eat BBQ see The Stones and enjoy "our way of life".
We will greet... One way or another! In better times.
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| pdog |
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LadyJane wrote:
What is the point in trying to argue this issue RATIONALLY?
Absolutely futile, my friends.
This is bare bones Terror and Barbarism...no rational thinking allowed.
Howe sad...look at howe far we've come as a civilization.
Yay for us!!
LJ.
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I wanna hold you!
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| pdog |
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glencar wrote:
Here's what I love about the American people: The pizza place down the hill from my house is flying a Union Jack today alongside Old Glory.
The Arab bookstore in front of my house is covered in shit and anti- Arab slogans.
That's what i don't like about this country.
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| LadyJane |
"I wanna hold you!"
I really like you, Pdog. YOU get it!!! Why the fuck can't everybody else????
LJ. |
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| gypsy |
I agree, LJ.
FPM, you sure reacted to tele's statements with an awful lot of violence. |
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| pdog |
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FPM C10 wrote:
You fucking went too far.
You're both getting all wound up over stuff we can't control... I'm down with what you say. I'm pinko liberal. You konw what? These guys, are just angry, and so are you and I. I like Max, Glancar, Telecaster and a few others I can't think of. You konw why? I figured one thing out. They would never hurt me or my family, even if I diagree with them about global warmimg or Iraq or whatever. I once thought, If I evem meet these guys I would be so filled with hate that I would spit at their feet and walk away. You know that's no fun. I know I'm going to meet Max in NYC. We're Stones fans and hopefully we'll be friends too!
I don't have any really good words... Both you and Tele have stuff to say, and you need a forum to say it. It's good for both of you to let it out. Afterwards, hopefully, we can find the common ground and move on.
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| pdog |
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LadyJane wrote:
"I wanna hold you!"
I really like you, Pdog. YOU get it!!! Why the fuck can't everybody else????
LJ.
Do you remeber howe I was? I got tired of getting all worked up over shit. I practically had an anyurism over on Gasland a few years ago. Maxloser, Telebastard and Riffy. They're all good guys and gave them fucked up nicknames. I don't know if I did that to Riffy... I don't regret it, b/c it's what got me here BUT! I'm working on not repeating it too!
I'm still figuring the world out. It's really confusing. I get the weather and birth and death. BUT! People... Fuck.. There's some sick ass crazy motherfuckers who are just BAD! FPM and Tele aren't the bad people.
Besides, I heard The ROCC like tough and sensitive guys...
Grrrr! Meow!
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| pdog |
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pdog wrote:
You're both getting all wound up over stuff we can't control... I'm down with what you say. I'm pinko liberal. You konw what? These guys, are just angry, and so are you and I. I like Max, Glancar, Telecaster and a few others I can't think of. You konw why? I figured one thing out. They would never hurt me or my family, even if I diagree with them about global warmimg or Iraq or whatever. I once thought, If I evem meet these guys I would be so filled with hate that I would spit at their feet and walk away. You know that's no fun. I know I'm going to meet Max in NYC. We're Stones fans and hopefully we'll be friends too!
I don't have any really good words... Both you and Tele have stuff to say, and you need a forum to say it. It's good for both of you to let it out. Afterwards, hopefully, we can find the common ground and move on.
Man, 4 posts in a row... Is that a record?
Make it 6... I can't spell for shit tonight!
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| telecaster |
Let’s all review FPM’s post since it is late:
1. brings up other people and other boards who are not on this thread
2. Threatens bodily harm (Mr. Peace and Love no less!)
3. Offers ZERO suggestions or solutions or thoughts
4. Brings God into the debate for no reason
5. Threatens censorship
Folks……meet FPM:
“If I ever meet you, you motherfucking asshole, I'll cram yours down your fucking throat.”
Wow! Nuff said. Guess we won’t meet!
“Howe”
”Your repeated jr. high impugning of my manhood as it relates to my willingness to add blood to blood,aggression to aggression, insanity to insanity may reassure you as to your own questionble virility. To the rest of us it sounds shrill and loutish. As I've pointed out repeatedly, accusing a liberal of being a homosexual is just stupid, because we don't hate homosexuals. If I was gay I would tell everyone I was gay. I'm not. Howe about YOU?”
Ah, son, I use Howe on every post I make on this board. It has been a running joke here for years. Lighten up Francis. If you have something to tell us, tell us.
Not that there is anything wrong with it.
“ OK, how's this - since there was no stoppping Bush from invading Iraq, how about if he had actually PREPARED for it? Training people to speak the fucking language, for a start?”
Ah, son, then why did Clinton personally cut the CIA budget for training bilingual agents in Arabic? Takes years to learn that language. Years before Bush came to office. Let us know the answer
“Having a clue about what the immediate aftermath of the war was going to be like”
FPM do you have a manual for that? Did the world miss that? Do you have a copy? Does it say the US and friends would be in Germany and Japan and Korea for 60 plus years? Kosovo? Folks, FPM is holding out on the world!
“More lies and distortions. I never hold Clinton up as a hero. He's ten times the president Bush pretends to be, but he's not in office right now, and I never talk about him. You guys need to find a new boogieman.”
Ah son…..you are avoiding. Just say you have no answer why Clinton didn’t respond to the 5 (five) major terror attacks on the US. Simple. Pea, just say “I have no answer”. If he was 10 times the Prez as you say he would have stopped the terror attacks. Now if you can’t play and answer the question tell us.
“Why aren't any of you who buy into the whole "Freedom on the March" routine talking about any of the democratic elections in the region that didn't go the way Bush thought they should go? Do you people REALLY think everyone in the Middle East is going to turn into a fucking Republican?”
Pea you weren’t happy that 55 million people (the population of Great Britain) got to vote in free and fair elections for the first time in their life? Al Qaeda wasn’t either. Like you, they were M-A-D! Pissed!
They want those people NOT to vote! Two peas in a pod so to speak
I thought you were a free speech type of guy. I was wrong.
“Again, you fucking asshole, you will apologize. You're not on Max's board”
Why bring in another board? This is RO! Focus. Do you apologize on www.AlQeada.com? See howe stupid that sounds?
“What did George W. Bush's manly invasion of Iraq achieve? More attacks. Thousands more dead added to the butcher's bill.”
Good point. Iraq was such a paradise before. Invading two neighbors (Muslims) and killing hundreds of thousands in two wars. Launching SCUDS/WMDS at 5 (five) neighbors, killings hundreds of thousand of their neighbors, lighting the Persian Gulf on fire (and you call yourself and environmentalist!) BTW Saddam is the biggest eco-terrorist in history! Anyway, killing millions of his own people, stealing billions in CASH from the UN. It was a paradise by your standards! What a great outstanding man, eh FPM?
Violating 17 UN SECURITY COUNCIL Resolutions, firing 500 times at US & British pilots. What a great man. And his sons! You would love them.
”You have all of the hallmarks of a Bush idiot - ignorance AND arrogance, with no shame. Tell me, are you also Born Again? Do you buy THAT whole angle of the story? Did God tell you it was okay to come on here and say the unforgivable things you've said here?”
Ah son, why bring God into this? Nobody except you mentioned God. Strange
“why don't you check out a few things like the American Revolution, Shaka Zulu, Ho Chi Minh...where an enemy couldn't prevail in conventional warfare, they fought unconventionally, and an opponent who rigidly refused to accept the reality of a shifting definition of warfare was doomed to defeat.”
Oh! FPM! I remember that speech. October 2001 when the loony left said nobody could ever invade Afghan and win! Good call buddy. Those two weeks were hell on our troops but we did it. I remember all those stories about the British and the Russians from 100 years ago and the blah blah blah and nobody can go into Afghan and defeat and enemy. Did the Al Qaeda website not mention our two week war?
Are you mad the Taliban is gone??????? Mad Afghan women can vote??? Think for themselves? Strange
BTW, good thing you were not at Valley Forge. Washington wasn’t big on the limp wristers or the weak
“Now apologize, you asshole. Either you will apologize or I will get us both kicked the fuck off this board.”
Holy Shit! You are working for the Taliban! Mr. “I have my rights” is threatening to censor someone!
Peace to you FPM
You are a good man, we just disagree
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| telecaster |
Keith & John Lennon -
I remember an interview with John in the mid-70's where they were talking about violence and the person asked John "what would you do if someone pulled a gun on you?"
John's response was, and I will never forget this "I would run"
We all saw what Keith did on stage in '81 at Hampton Roads
when that nutcase ran on stage. Whacked him with the Tele, hard.
Keith carries a knife and a gun
John didn't
Different approaches, different results
I wish John's worked. I wish it worked for all of us
Both peace loving people with different approaches to evil
Like the people on this board.
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| FPM C10 |
Since you're obviously too stupid to understand what I said, let me boil it down to its most basic element - your post repeatedly referred to the cowardly al Qaeda murderers as my "friends" and "buddies" , implying complicity in this week's attacks. And THAT, you asshole, is what you're going to apologize for.
I don't give a fuck about any of your rhetoric. I quit watching Fox News last fall to get away from idiots like you. But this shit is over the line, and you'll apologize or neither one of us will be posting here. |
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