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| Ten Thousand Motels |
What is acceptable rock'n'roll behaviour?
Dave Simpson
Thursday June 29, 2006
The Guardian
Almost since rock'n'roll began it has inspired bad behaviour, channelling the desire to thumb a nose at civilised society, decency, and whatever you've got.
It's questionable whether the act of Guns 'n' Roses frontman Axl Rose biting a security guard in the leg this week falls into that tradition. Somehow it seems less appealing than Pete Townshend smashing a guitar. In any other walk of life, a 44-year-old man introducing his dental work to another might provoke ridicule or disgust. Does it make it different if he's a rocker?
Let's look at some examples. In 1958, Jerry Lee Lewis let slip that his 13-year-old travelling companion was his wife. This was deemed unacceptable - he was booed offstage. In the 60s, Led Zeppelin discovered the joys of hotel room "reassembly" and the antics of the Who's Keith Moon have amused generations. Even after he managed to run over and kill his chauffeur he ws largely still viewed as Moon the Loon.
Since then, Ozzy Osbourne has bitten the head off a bat (a no-no, if you were the bat - or Ozzy, who had to endure rabies shots). He followed this up by trying to strangle his wife (very unacceptable - especially if you were Sharon Osbourne.) As for Gary Glitter: really, really unacceptable.
But lately, "rock'n'roll" behaviour has become less acceptable simply because it's boring. Liam Gallagher is seemingly contractually obliged to skirmish with photographers; Franz Ferdinand "punch-up" like it's handbags-at-dawn. Perhaps the man behaving most like he was in Led Zeppelin was the deputy prime minister.
Equally, people have started to grasp that even hilarious bad behaviour has victims. Primal Scream's Bobby Gillespie - no stranger to creaking rock cliches - summed up the prevailing view when he said of hotel-trashing, "I wouldn't want my mum clearing up."
Ultimately, the antics of rock'n'rollers have to be subject to the same rigours as anybody else's, whether that's reflected in hotel bills or the law. With that in mind, Rose's unfortunate security guard should get a solicitor. In the meantime that dental imprint is one hell of a Guns' collectors item.
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| Saint Sway |
as far as behavior goes most rockers never mature past the age of 17. They're perpetual teenagers. They're isolated and never grow up.
Keith just fell out of a coconut tree. He's 62.
the whole genre is that way |
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| pdog |
It's not a crime, until you get caught! |
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| Dan |
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
as far as behavior goes most rockers never mature past the age of 17. They're perpetual teenagers. They're isolated and never grow up.
Keith just fell out of a coconut tree. He's 62.
the whole genre is that way
Lots of rock fans are like that too. Not me though. Refer to my previous post about taking the bus to concerts, 17 is still uncharted territory. |
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| keefkid |
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| jb |
No crapping on stage!!!! |
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| glencar |
That one hag from L7 threw a tampon at the crowd. It was used. Acceptable? |
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| jb |
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glencar wrote:
That one hag from L7 threw a tampon at the crowd. It was used. Acceptable?
Yes......... |
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| Dan |
quote:
glencar wrote:
That one hag from L7 threw a tampon at the crowd. It was used. Acceptable?
The fans fought over it. I also heard she gave one to Mike Patton when they were on tour with Faith No More. |
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| glencar |
I'm grossed out. I'd give her my used hankie if I ever came across her. |
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| jb |
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Dan wrote:
The fans fought over it. I also heard she gave one to Mike Patton when they were on tour with Faith No More.
Fecal material is going too far imo... |
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| glencar |
Menses is way over the line. She crossed the Rubicon. |
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| Saint Sway |
you wouldnt think he'd be passed out in this pic
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| jb |
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
you wouldnt think he'd be passed out in this pic
Another "stageg" shot?,no??? |
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| glencar |
No, Keith doesn't do that. |
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| jb |
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glencar wrote:
No, Keith doesn't do that.
Funny!!!!! |
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| Saint Sway |
theres enough coke on that mirror to stay awake while reading a thread about Pug's sales trip |
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| glencar |
I played tennis this morning & you know what? I played better than these 2 goofballs on ESPN2 right now! It's true! |
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| glencar |
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theres enough coke on that mirror to stay awake while reading a thread about Pug's sales trip
Does he post about sales trips? |
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| Dan |
Here is my all time favorite story, posted by a "John" in 1997. Also heard it first hand in 1992 since a friend from Buffalo is also an FNM fan:
Hello FNM crew!
I'm just a week into this newsgroup. Thanks for the email so far guys n girls... I am a FNM/Bungle fan and damn proud of it! Glad to find a newsgroup focusing on IMHO the most original stuff out there.
Big fan of Patton... Voice and brain are top notch. I think he's the most diverse, talented poet/singer out there today.
But... has anyone in this newsgroup chatted about the fateful night in Buffalo, NY touring the Angel Dust tour (92 -93?)
WARNING: THIS POST MAY OFFEND THE SQUEEMISH. READ NO FURTHER IF YOU OFFEND EASILY OR ARE NOT 18. BETTER YET, GET OUT OF ALT.MUSIC.FAITH-NO-MORE AND GO TO ALT.MUSIC.BUSH OR SOMETHING SAFE LIKE THAT...
I saw the FNM - Helmut show at University of Buffalo that night - there was also a WUFX 103.3 The Fox birthday party going on at Jim Kelly's sportbar- Networks ( I Think).
FNM was killer. The band was so fuckin' tight and I was in shock over the simple rule that it is physically impossible to scream at the top of your lungs and then sing loud and clear as a bell, then scream bloody
murder, then croon like Sanatra... but Patton was in solid voice throughout the show.
They encored with Small Victory and Patton said "we gotta go... our drummer has to take a shit." I also recall Mike telling Jim to "Shut up" in the middle of a garishly sloppy solo in "Easy". (Was this a forshadowing of events to come???)
Show's over right? Well Fox radio's party is packed, but the only celebrity appearance they could get was Joan Jett....(tee hee).
A DJ friend of mine that worked there said they begged FNM (who was tired and less than enthusiastic) to make a guest appearance after their show that night. It was FNM's understanding that they would not have to perform, but the crowd egged them on to take the stage.
The crowd expected "Epic" or "Falling to Pieces", obviously no FNM fans were there, they were all heading home from the UB show, oblivious to the news of their appearance.
What the crowd got was "Jizzlobber"--- now at this point in my post, if this newsgroup has already talked this to death, sorry... if you don't know what REALLY happened, or never heard... read on... it's fucking hilarious...
"Jizzlobber" is, as we all should know, a dissonant, gutteral, screaming trip. This "Aerosmith" friendly crowd is in shock. To them it's noise... and they're quite confused over the band at this point.
Mike, midway through the song, drops trou.
Now, mind you, I've gone home with my girlfriend at the time, this info comes from the overnight DJ, just offstage and from a friend of mine who was there, three rows back.
Mike drops trou, his shorts are around his ankles and his T-shirt is barely covering mr. happy and the twins. The crowd is totally turned-off. A loud girl in the front row starts yelling at Mike, and he's screaming the song back to her, only now he's slapping his balls around with his other hand. Jim Martin runs behind him and shoves the
neck of the guitar between Patton's legs... it gets worse...
The boyfriend of the girl yelling in front, hurls a beer bottle at Patton, clipping him in the head and drawing blood. Oblivious, Patton, in classic form, Shoves the SM-57 microphone UP HIS ASS and starts hopping around the stage, pants still around ankles, blood on his face,
with the mike cord flailing about like a tail.
The power is cut on the band, bottles are everywhere, and the Fox party is a disaster.
I remember the Fox openly bashing Faith No More for a solid week (which pissed me off), I remember it making news, claiming there were "lewd behavior" and "indecent exposure" charges filed against Patton.
Two weeks later, "Rolling Stone" had a clipping regarding the event, and although they hinted as to the nature of the incident... Mike Patton's only statement regarding the affair was a hilarious: "We had an absolutely great time, if they want to invite us back, we'd love to do it again."
All I can say is that to this day, I haven't seen the Buffalo music scene so shaken up.
My apologies in advance to any tid-bits of info I've left out... I can't remember the exact date.
In closing, the topic of conversation for the next two days between local bands and music fans was this: was it penetration or was he holding the mike between his cheeks?
Epilouge: The instruments the band played on was a local bands rig... and none were damaged. The outfitting sound system, INDIGO Productions, reportedly cleaned the mike and still uses it to this day.
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| jb |
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I played tennis this morning & you know what? I played better than these 2 goofballs on ESPN2 right now! It's true!
I despise Stewart Scott...what an ass-clown!!! |
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| keefkid |
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jb wrote:
Another "stageg" shot?,no???
yes... |
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| glencar |
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jb wrote:
I despise Stewart Scott...what an ass-clown!!!
This guy named Chris Something Or Other evidently doesn't like Brad Gilbert (but who does??). The unfortunate thing is they're calling the match togther & it's "hot in here." |
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| jb |
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keefkid wrote:
yes...
That's what I thought...Keith has alwasy been an image more than a reality. The truth be told, he seems like a grumpy old man these days...atleast back then, he could play like a mother fucker!!! |
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| glencar |
I think Keith doesn't give a whit about image. Not one whit. Joe perry is all image. |
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| jb |
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I think Keith doesn't give a whit about image. Not one whit. Joe perry is all image.
No question Perry is a Keith Wannabee as is the whole band...but Keith and Mick, and quite frankly Charlie, all come off as bitter old fucks...Atleast Ronnie is fan friendly. |
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| Dan |
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No question Perry is a Keith Wannabee as is the whole band...but Keith and Mick, and quite frankly Charlie, all come off as bitter old fucks...Atleast Ronnie is fan friendly.
Bullshit - Perry has his OWN sound and his OWN image. He came up with some great riffs on his own, that sound NOTHING like Stones songs. Someone who doesn't even listen to Aerosmith calling him a wannabe is laughable at best. |
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| glencar |
Perry is a mini-Keith. I like his playing but the image is all Keith. |
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| Dan |
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glencar wrote:
Perry is a mini-Keith. I like his playing but the image is all Keith.
Using that logic you can say the same thing about anyone who picks up a needle, picks up a guitar and plays rock n roll. |
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| glencar |
No, I think in Perry's case, it seems pretty obvious. Hell, if I was in a rock band, I'd be a total Mick-imitator. Follow the best. |
