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| Dan |
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sympathy for the rolling stones symphony orchestra
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| voodoopug |
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I am kinda surprised they haven't jumped on that bandwagon yet.
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| mojoman |
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I am kinda surprised they haven't jumped on that bandwagon yet.
like the trans-siberian orchestra? |
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| Joey |
" ....... like the trans-siberian orchestra? "
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| Dan |
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like the trans-siberian orchestra?
I am sure if they performed with an orchestra it would be at least as good as when the Scorpions did it. |
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| mojoman |
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" ....... like the trans-siberian orchestra? "
lord joey you do remember the who tour of 1989? shiver!!!! |
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| Dan |
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mojoman wrote:
lord joey you do remember the who tour of 1989? shiver!!!!
I think that tour skipped Omaha. |
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| pdog |
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Guys..we have enough extras already dont we?...Tonights show will be telling in so far as as Keith is concerned.My hunch is he's back on fire...but the future??..I think the decline is irreversible....Just like my own...
I will love you through the decline, just as I love Keith... I may point out posting errors, hopefully it will be okay!  |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
My dearest FotiniD...
I completely understand the human aspects of getting older. I can't dunk a basketball anymore. I can't run up and down a soccer pitch for hours at a time anymore. I understand that there are things that you can't do anymore because of age. I'm living that.
But nobody is paying me $450.00 to watch me not be able to dunk a basketball anymore.
Having been in bands on and off for 25+ years, I also understand the "off night". Anyone who has played out knows about off nights. They do indeed happen. And I speak on that from personal experience. However, in The Stones case, these "off nights" are happening far too frequently. I think, for any professional touring band, that you get a pass for no more than 2 "off nights" in a tour. That is fair, IMO. Even with the outrageous prices for Stones tickets...I'll still give 'em a couple off nights. They got one pass left for the rest of the Euro tour. How long do you think it will be before they use that one up?
what I heard in those clips from Werchter...that was way beyond an "off" night. What the Stones did was unprofessional and at times...incompetent. An off night is acceptable, an incompetent and unprofessional show is NEVER acceptable. At any price...nevermind Stones prices.
The Stones were fresh from rehearsals. They should know the songs inside & out. Opening night jitters, off night, drunk riff player, whatever you wanna call it...there is no excuse for being unprepared. The very minimum is knowing how the songs are played...especially since they have been playing most of those for a couple of DECADES. You can bang out a bum note or two, but when you can't remember yer cues, lyrics, intros, solos...well that is just flat out unprofessional. And unprofessional is NEVER acceptable.
Now, I feel I should also say something else...because I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant. I'll say this...I'm still rooting for The Rolling Stones. I want them to play well. I want them to all stay healthy. I want them to enjoy themselves. I want everyone who is going to a show, to have the best time ever. I am sincere in that. I am NOT sitting here wishing that the Stones would fuck up again so I can rip into them. I WANT to read glowing reviews and rave write ups. And that is the stone cold truth. But what I want to see more than anything...YouTube clips that show our boys in top form. I haven't seen any of those yet.
Now as for "I told you so...".
It seems that last night was a little better than opening night. There were still problems, but it doesn't seem like it was as bad as opening night. On the other hand...it's not very hard to be better than that opener. For now, that "I told you so" should stay in yer pocket. I don't think The Stones did anything spectacular last night. They didn't suck. And if that is good enuff for you to whip out an "I told you so", then your expectations really are low!
I hope things keep getting better as the tour goes on. Maybe by the end of it, they'll remember how to play Brown Sugar again. Nahhhhhh. Keith will remember how top play Happy before that happens. And we all know Keith is never gonna do that! LOL! |
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| FotiniD |
Hello again SS  I think with all the analyses this board has seen these past few days, we can all write a thesis on the 2007 live Stones
I know you don't like putting them down and I know you want to read great reviews. I want that too. But if what happened in Werchter was not just an off night and was not due to the effects of getting older, then why did it happen? Just boredom? And if you add all the data we know for sure (they're in their mid-sixties, the substances abused all these years, the fact that admittedly a lot of the motivation is gone), well, aren't those "off nights" bound to be more as the years go by?
Yes, my expectations are lower than they used to be. But is there anything else I can do? It's what it is, and you either like it or you don't. I too would love them to nail the songs every night - but I'd also like them to play only club gigs and drop the backup musicians. Is that realistic? They've chosen the whole "superband" image and now they're trying to live up to that. I'm sure that a smaller scale would allow them to focus more, mix up the setlist a lot more and actually remember the whole excitement they were in it for back in the days.
I don't know if things can change - much as I'd like it - but if I had to decide between this and nothing, I'd still pick this.
What I'm saying is, things may be worse than they were ten years ago, but they are not that bad. Let's see how this unfolds and keep our conclusions for the end of the tour. It's still too early!
(I couldn't resist the 'I told you so' though, especially with the good reviews I read  ) |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
FD...I really really like you. And if the day comes when we might meet face to face...I'm gonna kiss you right on the lips, and scoop you up in a big bear hug.
>Yes, my expectations are lower than they used to be. But is there anything else I can do?<
Uhhhh yeah...don't sell yourself out like that. As hardcore fans it is our duty to hold the band up to certain standards. If we drop our expectations, then we enable the band to play at lower levels. That ain't good.
They raise ticket prices, and we accept inferior shows. Sounds messed up...no? Can you think of anything else where you would find that situation as acceptable? I can't. US cars...the prices keep going up, but the cars are junk. So I didn't buy one. I went back in time and got a '74 Chevy Nova. I paid less, and got more. We don't HAVE to settle for 3rd rate.
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| MrPleasant |
The best heroes are dead. And dead people can't let you down.
This is bullshit. Dead people can certainly let everyone down. Like tMeryl Streep's character did in that jerky pornography film: Bridges of something something, with Clint Eastwood - she wrote ALL about her corny adultery affair, including the little details (the blowjobs in the living room, etc.), after she was buried, and bugged her memory for her poor children who did nothing to her, except making her stick to her boring suburban life. What was she thinking?? Is this stuff supposed to be inspirational? Do women think about anything but about sex??
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| FotiniD |
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This is bullshit. Dead people can certainly let everyone down. Like tMeryl Streep's character did in that jerky pornography film: Bridges of something something, with Clint Eastwood - she wrote ALL about her corny adultery affair, including the little details (the blowjobs in the living room, etc.), after she was buried, and bugged her memory for her poor children who did nothing to her, except making her stick to her boring suburban life. What was she thinking?? Is this stuff supposed to be inspirational? Do women think about anything but about sex??
Haha, is it too lame to admit I actually like that movie? 
SS, I like you too.
I just haven't had enough of a Stones fix to last me and have the guts to show them my feelings by not buying a ticket. Perhaps I would have done it, had I seen them live over ten or twenty times, but so far the whole Stones live concept has been more of a treat to me, so... I need more, damn it I'm willing to take my chances and see if it's a good or a bad gig, but it's better than nothing!
And to be honest, at this point of the game, do you think that even if ticket sales dropped, they'd actually change? The most obvious selection would be the way out, if that ever happened, and I think they'd take that. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. It's a grim scenario, it makes me sad to even think about it, so... |
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| MrPleasant |
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Haha, is it too lame to admit I actually like that movie?
No, not at all. Just watch out for Oliver Stone's JFK film! They got the facts all wrong. It was all a very elaborated suicide on behalf of president bimbo. |
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| Angiegirl |
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And if I show up at work bored day after day for a long time, yep, my boss will fire me. But he won't do it if I do my job and it just so happens that one day I turn up sick. And he definitely won't do it if I happen to be working for him for the past 40 years. Well, at least my boss is like that
Nice boss. But it's not about the boss is it? It's about the customer.
I'm a webdesigner, and my bosses' clients (and therefore my clients) expect me to deliver right? So when I fuck up their site or don't make my deadline, that client is gonna be pissed off.
He calls me and yells at me and I tell him: "Well yeah, I do my work like I should most of the days, but you know, today I was tired/hangover/old/bored. I do this day after day you know, and you can't expect me to deliver good work every day."
The client goes: "Hell yeah, I can and I do! I'm paying 90 euro per hour and I get this shit! I don't care if you're tired/hangover/old/bored today, or if you did an alright job for another client yesterday, on those kind of bad days you use your pantry, your backup energy stash. That's what people do."
So basically, my client sees one instance of bad work, even if it's the first time ever in my job that I messed up. My boss will forgive me if it's the one time, sure. My client won't.
Since they charge high prices like my boss does, they should deliver always (and missing a note here and there or messing up some lyrics doesn't mean not-delivering, you know we're speaking of the bigger problem here). Yes. When one can't, then don't sell your goods. |
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| BONOISLOVE |
Heroe worship is fine.
For instance, heard that song from Bobby Dylan?, the one in which he sings "Early in the morning/Early in the morning/I'm calling U2!/I'm calling U2!"? He's making a very witty remark about how everybody desperately seeks advice from the guys at U2. And the way Mick Jagger (from the "Rollin' Stones") sings "That's how strong my love is", he's really just expressing how strong MY love is!
We all need heroes but, unfortunately, like Fleetwood Mac once said "heroes are hard to find". (That's why Bob Dylan is calling for U2!) |
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| fireontheplatter |
might as well enjoy it while it lasts riffy
don't be like some anal retentive people who get all bent because keith flubs a chord change every now and a then.
the boys are getting old and tired now, and you know that.
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| angee |
(the other angee--hi, angiegirl!)
Just thought I'd write a note here--
Could it be that some of us were so preoccupied with Ronnie screwing up before that we forgot to notice that Keith's alcoholism was progressing? Not to make up more excuses but I imagine that the head injury and cancellations can't have been easy on him.
That said, the classic alcholic signals are being unable to control your intake, even when so much is at stake. I think he cares but he hasn't decided to stop. I think Mick and Keith have probably had a few conversations about it over the years, and that they all know the person has to make the choice himself.
Like a lot of you, I have overspent and will do so again. I'm hoping that by London 02, the band will have come together more.
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>who get all bent because keith flubs a chord change every now and a then.<
You don't grasp English that well do you? Either that or you didn't take the time to read everything that was posted.
I'll say the same thing to you that I said to FotiniD, and this is the last time I'm saying it. It's the last time because I'm talked out about this subject, and if you don't get what I'm saying by now, then you are retarded. Ready? Pay attention now...
No one here expects perfection. Go back through all the posts and see if you can find one instance where someone said that. No one is even bitching about a flubbed note or three. Oh no, it's far worse than that.
No, what we are talking about is the unprofessionalism of the guitar players in The Rolling Stones. It is not unprofessional to chunk a note here and there, and it's not unprofessional to try out a new idea for a solo and not have it work out right. What IS unprofessional is showing up to play a show UNPREPARED when you just came out of rehearsals! There were completely missed lyrics, missed cues, completely botched intros, and damned if one of the most famous guitar players in the world just freakin' forgot how to play a half dozen of their most recognizable....and most often played...songs! That isn't just a flubbed note here or there. THAT is a significant problem. And even worse is that this isn't an isolated incident. It's been a regular feature of the ABB tour!
The problem as I see it is not age or health problems. Nope. The problem is the The Rolling Stones have a couple of lazy, unmotivated guitar players who take entirely too many "nights off". I think that they believe their own hype. I think they feel like they can just show up, fuck off for a while and have the "backing band" cover for them, collect their million dollar check, and take a limo back to the fancy hotel. It is my position that the guitar players should stop fucking off, and start playing full shows, every time they walk on a stage. They should know the songs, know the arrangements, know the cues, know the intros, know the words. Those are all things that ANY professional musician would do. So that is what I expect from The Rolling Stones. I expect professionalism, competency, and a little enthusiasm. At $450.00 a ticket, I think that is quite a reasonable expectation. And if The Rolling Stones really are "The World's Greatest Rock n Roll Band"...it should be quite easy for them to deliver those expectations EVERY night.
Do you think that is unfair to the band? Is it to much to ask on my part that EVERYONE in the band actually know how the songs are supposed to be played? Especially at $450.00 a ticket? I have seen people say...it is what it is...and enjoy it for what it is. Well, I don't enjoy trainwrecks, and I'll never accept a trainwreck as acceptable. If that means that I'm a hard assed bitch...then fine. Someone needs to be a hard assed bitch with our guitar players. I have no problem with doing it. They deserve someone jumping down their backs. Hell they NEED someone jumping down their backs!
I have also said this...and I mean it. If The Rolling Stones are no longer capable of playing a competent, professional, enthusiastic show, every time they step on stage, then they should not be playing any shows at all. If they are too old to do it, then they should stay home and enjoy what time they have left on this planet. If they are to sick to do it, then they should stay at home and have their health problems tended to. If they are too drunk...stay at the fucking bar and quit embarrassing your bandmates. And if they are too fucking rich to be motivated enough, stay the fuck home and count your millions.
I don't know how to make that any clearer. If you still don't get what I'm saying....then fuck you. Learn to read and comprehend....I ain't explaining it again. |
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| sirmoonie |
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fireontheplatter wrote:
might as well enjoy it while it lasts riffy
don't be like some anal retentive people who get all bent because keith flubs a chord change every now and a then.
the boys are getting old and tired now, and you know that.
Did you watch those videos, plattster? He wasn't even making any chord changes. |
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| MrPleasant |
I''l be watching the gay Pirates of The gay Caribbean sequel and I expect to get my money worth!! That, or pot and prostitutes. Pot or prostitues? Who am I, Bill Clinton?? |
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