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'Deep Throat' Reportedly Comes Forward "
" A former FBI official claims he was "Deep Throat," the long-anonymous source who leaked secrets about President Nixon's Watergate coverup to The Washington Post, Vanity Fair reported Tuesday.
W. Mark Felt, 91, who was second-in-command at the FBI in the early 1970s, kept the secret even from his family until 2002, when he confided to a friend that he had been Post reporter Bob Woodward's source, the magazine said.
"I'm the guy they used to call Deep Throat," he told lawyer John D. O'Connor, the author of the Vanity Fair article, the magazine said in a news release.
Felt was initially adamant about remaining silent on the subject, thinking disclosures about his past somehow dishonorable.
"I don't think (being Deep Throat) was anything to be proud of," Felt indicated to his son, Mark Jr., at one point, according to the article. "You (should) not leak information to anyone."
Felt is a retiree living in Santa Rosa, Calif., with his daughter, Joan, the magazine said. He could not immediately be reached for comment by The Associated Press. His family members disagreed with their father, feeling that he should receive accolades for his role in Watergate before his death.
The Washington Post had no immediate comment on the report.
O'Connor is a lawyer at the San Francisco firm Howard, Rice, Nemerovski, Canady, Falk & Rabkin. A receptionist there said O'Connor was out of the office but confirmed he was the author of the Vanity Fair article.
The existence of Deep Throat, nicknamed for a popular porn movie of the early 1970s, was revealed in Woodward and Carl Bernstein's best-selling book "All the President's Men." In the hit movie based on the book, Deep Throat was played by Hal Holbrook.
But his identity of the source whose disclosures helped bring down the Nixon presidency remained a mystery.
Among those named over the years as Deep Throat were Assistant Attorney General Henry Peterson, deputy White House counsel Fred Fielding, and even ABC newswoman Diane Sawyer, who then worked in the White House press office. Ron Zeigler, Nixon's press secretary, White House aide Steven Bull, speechwriters Ray Price and Pat Buchanan, and John Dean, the White House counsel who warned Nixon of "a cancer growing on the presidency," also were considered candidates.
And some theorized Deep Throat wasn't a single source at all but a composite figure.
In 1999, Felt denied he was the man.
"I would have done better," Felt told The Hartford Courant. "I would have been more effective. Deep Throat didn't exactly bring the White House crashing down, did he?"
In 2003, Woodward and Bernstein reached an agreement to keep their Watergate papers at the University of Texas at Austin.
At the time, the pair said documents naming "Deep Throat" would be kept secure at an undisclosed location in Washington until the source's death."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050531/ap_on_re_us/deep_throat_8&printer=1
After all these friggin decades ..............what a " LET DOWN " ( I thought for sure it was either Al Haig , Henry Kissinger or Keith Moon )
Jacky !
Jacky ! ... Jacky ! ... Jacky !
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| kath |
who the fuck cares abou that shit anymore??? yeah, it ws crucial THEN, but now it's small potatoes.....
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| Joey |
" who the fu## cares abou that sh&& anymore??? "
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| Jaxx |
well i guess we can all go to our graves satisfied that another big secret of the 20th century has been solved. at least we know now that the FBI used to do their job and i don't mean keeping the media away from JFK and marilyn, either.
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I always thought it was Linda Lovelace. |
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come on kath. hasn't the identity of "deep throat" been keeping you up nights since the seventies?
I always thought it was Alexander Haig or L. Patrick Gray .
.....some felt it was Keith Moon all along .
W- W- W- W- What ?!?! ....... oh , ..... SURE ! :
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
I always thought it was Linda Lovelace.
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I thought it was Hal Holbrook |
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time is on my side wrote:
I thought it was Hal Holbrook
You Make Joey smile .
RED, RED WINE
" Howard needed Robin's opinion on how to handle a situation he went through this weekend. Howard was out shopping with girlfriend Beth Ostrosky when he saw her fawning over an expensive Stella McCartney purse. Against her objections he bought her the purse to be a good guy because she really loved it. Howard said the purse was over $400 and came out to close to $600 with tax. Later that same day he and Beth were out to dinner with Booker's ex-girlfriend, Lynda Lopez, when a waiter accidentally spilled an entire glass of red wine over Beth's new, white purse. Howard said the poor guy apologized like crazy and Howard felt bad, but he also felt like he needed to do something. The manager came over and was very apologetic as well and Howard said he was just bummed that the new $400 purse was ruined. The manager offered to pay any for any cleaning expenses and Howard didn't want to push it any further because he was afraid the waiter would get in trouble. Howard checked the receipt and realized the pocket book was closer to $600 and again told the manager how bummed out he was by it. But then the manager questioned Howard in front of everyone saying that Howard just said the purse was $400. Then the guy joked that this must happen to Howard a lot. Howard thought the manager was pretty out of line with those comments but again didn't want to make a scene. The worst part of all of it was that the manager still charged him the full bill for dinner, including the spilt glass of wine, and never even brought a new glass of wine out! Beth later was able to clean the purse but by that time the purse looked closer to two years old than two hours old. Howard was wondering if he should call the restaurant and ask them to replace the purse. Both Robin and Gary agreed that, while the restaurant should have comped Howard's tab, he shouldn't call back and make a fuss because then he'll be reported in the papers as being a dick who can't buy his girlfriend a new purse. Howard agreed with that logic and said fine, he won't do anything about it. "
www.HowardStern.com
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| J.J.Flash |
OUch.... I thought you were referring to one of our beloved slots......
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
My guess is that Felt was working for the same operators that popped JFK. Politics is always dirty business, wheels within wheels within wheels within wheels mixed with smoke and mirrors.
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"My guess is that Felt was working for the same operators that popped JFK. Politics is always dirty business, wheels within wheels within wheels within wheels mixed with smoke and mirrors. "
< ------ W- W- W- W- W- What ?!?!
TTM ( and Kath ) .......................
Since working for HP these past few years ......
I have experienced the following symptoms for months at a time:
1)Tension/Stress related headaches for weeks at a time
2)Extreme sweating to the point were I look like I just came out of a Turkish bath(this has dissipated as I got older)
3)Severe eye strain/redness
4)Chronic Stomach/abdominal pain lasting from 2000-to date..had all tests done, including colonoscopy and nothing found...truly painful and can last months at a tine
5)Chest pain-had stress test which proved O.K. but current Lipid profile makes me prime candidate for heart attack.
6)For close to two years, constant fasciculation(involuntery muscle movement in relaxed muscles) as well as tingling/numbness/ and pain in joints. I still believe I may have terminal ALS but my friend the nuerologist said they are "benign fascics"
7)Extreme pain in back/flank pain. MRI revealed 2 herniated discs, with L1 impacting on nerve root. Doctor said this is not causing my problems as could have been there many years
8)Obseesive compulsive/hypochondriachal behavior with obseesive fear of dying...told it is a result of trauma I experienced as a youth with death of father and sister.
9)Pain/cramping in hands and feet(see ALS analysis).
10)Slow flow while peeing-Doctor said prostate fine!!!!(small and smooth)
11)7 root canals(my friend did them for free), but does not do crowns;hence 7k for 7 porecelain crowns
12)One external hemorrhoid(thought it was a tumor!!!).....
Jacky !
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
So??? The pay-checks good ain't it? That's all that really counts. |
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So??? The pay-checks good ain't it? That's all that really counts.
Amen !!!!!!
By the way , I just took my afternoon shit and it BURNED !
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Joey wrote:
"My guess is that Felt was working for the same operators that popped JFK. Politics is always dirty business, wheels within wheels within wheels within wheels mixed with smoke and mirrors. "
< ------ W- W- W- W- W- What ?!?!
TTM ( and Kath ) .......................
Since working for HP these past few years ......
I have experienced the following symptoms for months at a time:
1)Tension/Stress related headaches for weeks at a time
2)Extreme sweating to the point were I look like I just came out of a Turkish bath(this has dissipated as I got older)
3)Severe eye strain/redness
4)Chronic Stomach/abdominal pain lasting from 2000-to date..had all tests done, including colonoscopy and nothing found...truly painful and can last months at a tine
5)Chest pain-had stress test which proved O.K. but current Lipid profile makes me prime candidate for heart attack.
6)For close to two years, constant fasciculation(involuntery muscle movement in relaxed muscles) as well as tingling/numbness/ and pain in joints. I still believe I may have terminal ALS but my friend the nuerologist said they are "benign fascics"
7)Extreme pain in back/flank pain. MRI revealed 2 herniated discs, with L1 impacting on nerve root. Doctor said this is not causing my problems as could have been there many years
8)Obseesive compulsive/hypochondriachal behavior with obseesive fear of dying...told it is a result of trauma I experienced as a youth with death of father and sister.
9)Pain/cramping in hands and feet(see ALS analysis).
10)Slow flow while peeing-Doctor said prostate fine!!!!(small and smooth)
11)7 root canals(my friend did them for free), but does not do crowns;hence 7k for 7 porecelain crowns
12)One external hemorrhoid(thought it was a tumor!!!).....
Jacky !
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[Edited by Joey]
In a strange way......the above post reminds me what good posting used to stand for. Not with a morbid sense of humor, but reading the whole stuff made me laugh so hard that I think I'm bleeding inside.......must go to the bathroom to check.
W-W-W-What?!?!?!?! ====>12)One external hemorrhoid(thought it was a tumor!!!).....
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For J.J. Flash :
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Joey wrote:
For J.J. Flash :
You know what.....why Jay is so...errrr...nostalgic?!?!? What's the reason for all this nostalgia when Jay repeatedly says "that was good posting", "that's what good posting is all about", "the above post is an example of good quality posting"......it's because the new generation is rotten, you can barely notice a demonstration of mint freshness nowadays, the lack of motivaton in the art of posting no longer amazes wide-minded reviewers like Jay.
Among clear demonstrations of this good posting are sirmoonie's knowledgeable efforts. Man, have you seen sirmoonie bitching something? That should be taught in universities worlwide.
Let me dig into the archives and cease this thirst of reading.
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Where's Puggy goddamnit!?!?!? I demand to know! |
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| Joey |
quote:
J.J.Flash wrote:
Where's Puggy goddamnit!?!?!? I demand to know!
Everyone ........................rise up and :
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quote:
J.J.Flash wrote:
You know what.....why Jay is so...errrr...nostalgic?!?!? What's the reason for all this nostalgia when Jay repeatedly says "that was good posting", "that's what good posting is all about", "the above post is an example of good quality posting"......it's because the new generation is rotten, you can barely notice a demonstration of mint freshness nowadays, the lack of motivaton in the art of posting no longer amazes wide-minded reviewers like Jay.
Among clear demonstrations of this good posting are sirmoonie's knowledgeable efforts. Man, have you seen sirmoonie bitching something? That should be taught in universities worlwide.
Let me dig into the archives and cease this thirst of reading.
J.R.R.Tolkien.
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Gosh, Bob Redford looked good in that movie. Who cares about Deep Throat after that? |
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Where's Puggy goddamnit!?!?!? I demand to know!
I appreciate your concerns! I have been busy professionally and did not want to taint the board with meaningless posts until i felt i was strong enough to return with a vengeance. Besides, i wanted to give my ranting a break as with Shidoobee under repair, now is the best time to transition this board from its former status as "The Asylum" to a source of pertinent and valuable stones information.
JJFlash: Gather the Pug army though....we may need to go to war! |
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come on kath. hasn't the identity of "deep throat" been keeping you up nights since the seventies?
huh?? wha'?? sorry...i wuz nappin'......
i reiterate...who the fuck cares anymore??
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Felt is the greatest American hero since Ron Jeremy. It's so cool watching the right-wing chicken hawks converge on him. Fuckwits like Liddy & Buchanan.
I've been watching alot of Fox lately, waiting for the red-necks to hit melt-down mode (like that Sean Hennessy slob, or that Mancow knob), but if its happened, i missed it.
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Actually Corgi , I bet Nixon knew who it was all the time ---- The guy knew EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!
WWWWWWWWWWhat ?!?! ..... Oh , sure ! :
" Woodward Tries to Explain Felt's Mindset "
" Veteran FBI man W. Mark Felt wrestled with whether he was doing right by secretly helping reporters unearth Watergate crimes as "Deep Throat," the Washington Post reporters he guided said Thursday. Three decades later, his motives remain fuzzy even to them.
Carl Bernstein dismissed critics, many of them former Nixon administration officials, who say it would have been more honorable for Felt to resign from his post as the FBI's deputy director.
"Clearly this person wanted to effect some kind of end to the criminality and unconstitutionality of what was occurring," Bernstein said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
"And given the stories we were writing, we're only speculating here, this might have been the one reliable avenue," Bernstein said. "All the other institutions were corrupted."
Bob Woodward, speaking on NBC's "Today" show, described Felt as "a very reluctant person in the turmoil of, 'Am I doing the right thing, how do I get this out'."
"We had no idea of his motivations, and even now some of his motivations are unclear," Bernstein said on NBC.
Felt has acknowledged over the years that he felt passed over when Nixon appointed an FBI outsider and one of his own loyalists, L. Patrick Gray, to lead the FBI. Gray was later implicated in Watergate abuses himself.
A chance meeting at the White House in 1970 between Woodward, then a young Navy courier, and Felt forged the friendship and trust that were critical to The Washington Post's coverage of the Watergate scandal.
Two years later, Woodward and Bernstein were upstart reporters covering the Watergate scandal for the Post — and Felt became the secretive source their editor dubbed "Deep Throat."
Their first conversation about Watergate took place within days of the June 1972 break-in at the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, when the reporter called Felt, Woodward wrote in an article for the Post's Thursday editions.
"He reminded me how he disliked phone calls at the office but said that the Watergate burglary case was going to 'heat up' for reasons he could not explain," Woodward wrote. "He then hung up abruptly."
Woodward wrote that Felt ended up giving him valuable guidance for a story he was writing, linking Howard Hunt, a former CIA man, to the break-in.
Hunt's name had been found in the address book of one of the burglars. Felt counseled Woodward that the reporter could accurately write that Hunt was a suspect in the break-in, but Felt told him that only on an off-the-record basis, Woodward wrote in Thursday's story.
He described Felt as a mentor who offered fatherly advice on his post-Navy career well before the 1972 break-in. After Woodward joined the Post staff in 1971, Felt provided information for some stories but insisted that Woodward keep their relationship secret.
It stayed secret for three decades, until Tuesday, when Felt revealed in a Vanity Fair article that he was indeed the shadowy Nixon administration insider depicted in the best-selling book and hit movie "All the President's Men."
Not until Watergate began to heat up did Felt insist on clandestine meetings at 2 a.m. in an underground garage just across the Key Bridge in Arlington, Va., arranged through secret signals involving a flower pot and a red flag.
Woodward said Felt learned clandestine techniques during his World War II assignment as a Nazi hunter.
"The relationship with him was a compact of trust," Woodward wrote. "Nothing about it was to be discussed or shared with anyone, he said."
Why did Felt leak information — likely an illegal act — in spite of the risk? Woodward surmised that Felt was protecting the FBI's integrity and independence as well as making Nixon and his aides answer for their actions.
"There is little doubt that Felt thought of the Nixon team as Nazis," Woodward wrote. "He had nothing but contempt for the Nixon White House and their efforts to manipulate the bureau for political reasons."
Woodward said "the whole story" of their dealings with Felt would be told in his new book, coming soon from Simon & Schuster. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050602/ap_on_re_us/deep_throat_woodward&printer=1
Tricky ! ™
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I find the renewed interest in Deep Throat to be good for one reason:
MAYBE some day the hypnotized masses of America will wake from their troubled sleep and say WTF???
If Nixon was hounded out of office for HIS offenses, and Clinton was actually impeached for his sexual improprieties, then the only question about Bush is: firing squad or gallows?
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I find the renewed interest in Deep Throat to be good for one reason:
Bob Woodward has hinted MANY times that there 'MIGHT ' be something sinister ( read : illegal ) going on in the Bushie43 White House that nobody knows about yet .
Developing .................................like a VERY pleasurable rash .
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Eileen McNamara: Deep Throat is no hero
By Eileen McNamara The Boston Globe
FRIDAY, JUNE 3, 2005
BOSTON Those looking for a hero will not find one in W. Mark Felt.
The former FBI official who is Deep Throat has a legacy that includes his felonious abuse of the Fourth Amendment as much as it does his anonymous championship of the First.
The man who says he leaked details to The Washington Post of the Nixon administration's coverup of the break-in at the Watergate headquarters of the Democratic Party is the same man who authorized illegal break-ins targeting antiwar activists.
Felt's commitment to the Bill of Rights in 1973 was as selective as his family's motives in 2005 are self-serving. In an article to be published in the July issue of Vanity Fair magazine, the Felts' lawyer says the family thought there might be some money in revealing the identity of American journalism's most famous anonymous source before the death of the 91-year-old FBI retiree.
"I believe that Mark Felt is one of America's greatest secret heroes," John O'Connor writes in a piece that makes only glancing reference to Felt's illegal Vietnam-era activities. "Deep in his psyche, it is clear to me, he still has qualms about his actions, but he also knows that historic events compelled him to behave as he did."
Do those qualms just apply to Felt's revelations to The Washington Post about corruption in the Nixon White House or also to Felt's authorization of illegal wiretaps and warrantless searches of the homes of the relatives and friends of members of a radical antiwar group, the Weather Underground? Does he have the same reservations about his own abuse of power as he had about that of G. Gordon Liddy?
Does he think that America's intelligence agencies, as well as its executive branch, ought to respect the civil liberties of all American citizens?
Felt is in fragile health, with a failing memory. O'Connor writes that Felt and Bob Woodward met for lunch in 1999 and have spoken several times in recent years.
For the sake of history, one hopes that Woodward asked the former No. 2 man in the FBI to reflect on the full range of his experience in the agency, so Americans will one day be able to put all of his actions in context.
Felt and his fellow FBI man Edward Miller were convicted in 1980 of conspiring to violate the constitutional rights of American citizens by authorizing illegal break-ins and wiretaps of people connected to suspected domestic bombers. In an ironic twist worthy of Hollywood - and the administration of President George W. Bush - Felt justified his actions as a protection of national security.
The jury disagreed, sending Felt and Miller the same message that was communicated so dramatically by Deep Throat's leaks to The Washington Post: No man is above the law.
Perhaps it is Hollywood that is to blame for the disillusionment that set in this week as word of Deep Throat's identity circulated. Human nature and the movies abhor ambiguity.
We Americans like our heroes pure in spirit. We want Hal Holbrook, the actor who portrayed Deep Throat in the film "All the President's Men." His only celluloid vice was a flair for the melodramatic and an unhealthy dependence on nicotine.
We want Deep Throat to be a member of the American Civil Liberties Union. Instead, he could be a functionary in the U.S. Justice Department of John Ashcroft or Alberto Gonzales.
At Felt's trial in 1980, it was revealed that the illegal wiretaps and searches that he had authorized did not yield any information useful in the capture or prosecution of members of the Weather Underground. The U.S. Constitution, in other words, was abused to no end.
When President Ronald Reagan pardoned Felt and Miller in 1981, he cited the pardons given to Vietnam draft evaders.
"We can be no less generous to two men who acted on high principle to bring an end to the terrorism that was threatening our nation," Reagan said.
The more things change ...
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Good article. Thats the sort of response i like from right-wingers. Attack Felt, his actions and motives, but not one mention of what Nixon and his cronies did. Of course, not even a mention that what Nixon and his trained monkeys did was even remotely wrong.
Fox & Friends had calls from "middle America" last night. They were going to town on Felt! It was hysterical viewing. Nearly all the callers started their rant with "I've served in the military, and..."
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Funny how i care so much, not being a Yank and all.
Sometimes the same occurs to Jay. I think it's ok, sometimes international issues amazes me way more compared to the crap happening in my backyard here.......
"That ain't your business Ronnie"
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