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Topic: Werchter Park, Werchter 5th June 2007 - Setlist, Photos & Reviews - Part 1 of 2 Return to archive Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
6th June 2007 10:49 PM
akula pdog: Do you have any FLAC's or any other source you are basing your comments off of, or just this shitty youtube videos?
6th June 2007 11:06 PM
muncy23 Did anyone see the videos that were shown by the news channel? They had soundboard quality clips fromt eh show. Start Me UP and Rocks off sounded better than average for this tour. Has anybody seen that clip?
6th June 2007 11:18 PM
mrhipfl
quote:
muncy23 wrote:
Did anyone see the videos that were shown by the news channel? They had soundboard quality clips fromt eh show. Start Me UP and Rocks off sounded better than average for this tour. Has anybody seen that clip?



Yeah, I mentioned that before, too. They sounded fine. But they wouldn't show bad clips of the stones in the news anyway.
6th June 2007 11:32 PM
ketvos SO here I am reading all this 2 days later and DAMN YOU PEOPLE!!!!

I still got the RUSH flowing thru me as a read page after page of posts as if I was online that nite smashing the heck out of the refresh key keeping on top of this by the second.


:-)
7th June 2007 12:32 AM
mrhipfl sympathy.



SMU sounds ok



htw hard to tell



go crazy



cyhmk



end of brown sugar.



go crazy pt.2 sounds really cool actually



some more brown sugar

7th June 2007 02:49 AM
FotiniD I agree with Poplar. The element of surprise is totally beyond me. We've been through this during the last leg of the tour as well.

Off nights - people raving that the Stones should quit.
On nights - suddenly the Stones are the finest band to ever grace the earth and Keith proved everyone wrong - until the next off night of course. Then we can all moan together that we're not getting our money's worth.

Yeah, there's no excuse if he was just drunk. Objectively, there's no excuse. I don't think it's a matter of oweing something as much as showing respect to thousands of people who have helped make you who you are.

But the man's been an alcoholic for years!! Years! It seems to me that the same people who loved the cool, dark and dangerous Keith Richards, suddenly woke up to the aftermath of it all. You can't be 25 forever. Not even the human riff.

But besides all that, scripta manent! I'm really, REALLY anxious to see what will happen come Friday.
7th June 2007 02:54 AM
pdog
quote:
akula wrote:
pdog: Do you have any FLAC's or any other source you are basing your comments off of, or just this shitty youtube videos?



About a half dozen shows I was at this tour. And Keith has declined alot from NYC Sept. 2005 up to Oakland 2006... It sucks! This isn't just about one show, but those videos don't lie... I've seen way worse filmed Stones shows, and i could tell what the band was doing... I've seen shows were Ronnie wandered around for two hours smoking and waving at the crowd. There's only a few things money can't buy, and you have to do them yourself, playing guitar and taking a crap.
7th June 2007 03:04 AM
Jumacfly
quote:
Sir Stonesalot wrote:
No Poplar...Keef hasn't turned in "a" sub-par performance. He's turned in a whole big pile of them. This is a continuation of a distubing pattern.

>What do you guys expect? Clarity and hitting the right notes night after night? <

Yes. I expect the band to remember how the songs go, when to hit the bridge, when the solo should come in, and how to play the fucking intros. Is that too much to ask for $300.00? Fuck man, I expect bands that I pay $8.00 to see to play the fuckin' songs right. And they do. Night after night.

I know it's shocking...but there are guitar players out there who are professional and remember how to play the songs every night. Even when they are only playing to 50 people in a smokey sweaty bar, and they do it for less than 1% of what The Stones get paid for a show.

What I pay to see and hear, is Rock n Roll. Rock n Roll music requires some effort on the part of the band. When your riff player decides for whatever reason that they are not gonna try, or put forth any effort, then yer getti ng ripped off....at any price. I see two Stones putting forth maximum effort every show. Mick and Chaz. Ronnie & Keith have been fucking about and coasting too often and it has become a very bad habit for them. They have all those backing musicians to use as a crutch. Without Keith and Ronnie playing loud and proud out front, it's become nothing more than a Broadway show or a Vegas revue minus the topless showgirls.

See, what pisses me off most is this....I KNOW that these guys can still bring the goods. Goods that no one else can bring. The problem is that some of them couldn't be bothered to make the effort to do it. And that is a crime against Rock n Roll, IMO.

I just want those guys to quit fucking around and play some fuckin' Rock n Roll.



+1

Brilliant post Stonesy,indeed.

7th June 2007 06:47 AM
Nasty Habits

Tired of the humiliating lows of Stones fanhood?

Does the news of new songs being sung on the street corner by Blondie and Bobby give you "new hope" that the "old magic" might finally be "rekindled"?

Do skyrocketing ticket prices, drunken goonery and fears of media ridicule make it difficult for you to LEAVE THE HOUSE, let alone PAY FOR THE PARKING LOT?

Well, Stones fans, there's a new product on the market to help you MELLOW OUT!

Yes, it's STONESZAC, that little yellow pill!

STONESZAC obliterates the soaring highs and crushing lows associated with being a Stones fan in the 21st Century, without ruining your enjoyment of Stones concerts themselves!

Shidoobee's reporting that they're actually making She's So Hot and She's So Cold into a If You Can't Rock Me/Get Off My Cloud style medley to be followed immediately by Let It Rock?

STONESZAC lets you keep your cool, hope for the best, but helps minimize your expectations!

jb gloating because he sees the stadium as half empty instead of half full? U2 Board mocking the Off-Off-Off-Stadium tour? Who fans using their Stones tickets as airguitar picks?

STONESZAC helps you remember that for two hours a night for the next couple months, if you pay your 22.50 per song, you won't CARE what anyone else thinks.

Best of all, Stoneszac's patented "uninhibitizers" and "ear goggles" fill in the missing spaces in the modern Stones sound, so while you're at the show you will be able to use words like Brusselsesque, "rebirth of a guitar hero", and "vitality" with an unshakeable conviction that no amount of later audio evidence will be able to shatter (shidoobee!)

So get STONESZAC today - and give some to a friend!

FREE WITH PURCHASE OF TICKET TO SUMMER TOUR 2007. Available for a nominal fee on rollingstones.com. Side effects include uncontrollable screaming of the name KEEF, hideously embarassing Jagger impersonations and cravings for "Indian Girl". If you listen to the Rolling Stones for 12 hours straight, you are probably rocking. Do not use with Wholoft.



Originally posted September 6, 2006, posted again for truth.
[Edited by Nasty Habits]
7th June 2007 07:24 AM
Gazza
quote:
stones40 wrote:

When one has attended umpteem concerts over the years by the 'Stones' i must admit that the expectency is that each member should perform to the highest calibre possible.



That should be expected whether you go to one concert or whether you go to 50, and it applies to every act you pay money to see and not just the Stones.

You cant realistically exempt them from that requirement because of who they are - if anything, by asking so much to see them play live theyr're actually raising the audience's expectations in terms of quality. You cant have it both ways - if you ask people to pay a lot of money, then there's less excuses if you dont deliver the goods.

Your definition of 'highest calibre possible' may differ from mine, though. To me, its the expectation that the performer will do whatever is reasonably required within the limits of their capabilities to perform to a high standard. If a performer is under the influence of something which renders their performance substandard, then (assuming its not done for medical reasons) they're not taking reasonable steps to "perform to the highest calibre possible"

I agree with Jizzy. I dont demand brilliance - the man is human. Competence should be a basic minimum requirement, though.
[Edited by Gazza]
7th June 2007 08:44 AM
PartyDoll MEG
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:


Tired of the humiliating lows of Stones fanhood?

Does the news of new songs being sung on the street corner by Blondie and Bobby give you "new hope" that the "old magic" might finally be "rekindled"?

Do skyrocketing ticket prices, drunken goonery and fears of media ridicule make it difficult for you to LEAVE THE HOUSE, let alone PAY FOR THE PARKING LOT?

Well, Stones fans, there's a new product on the market to help you MELLOW OUT!

Yes, it's STONESZAC, that little yellow pill!

STONESZAC obliterates the soaring highs and crushing lows associated with being a Stones fan in the 21st Century, without ruining your enjoyment of Stones concerts themselves!

Shidoobee's reporting that they're actually making She's So Hot and She's So Cold into a If You Can't Rock Me/Get Off My Cloud style medley to be followed immediately by Let It Rock?

STONESZAC lets you keep your cool, hope for the best, but helps minimize your expectations!

jb gloating because he sees the stadium as half empty instead of half full? U2 Board mocking the Off-Off-Off-Stadium tour? Who fans using their Stones tickets as airguitar picks?

STONESZAC helps you remember that for two hours a night for the next couple months, if you pay your 22.50 per song, you won't CARE what anyone else thinks.

Best of all, Stoneszac's patented "uninhibitizers" and "ear goggles" fill in the missing spaces in the modern Stones sound, so while you're at the show you will be able to use words like Brusselsesque, "rebirth of a guitar hero", and "vitality" with an unshakeable conviction that no amount of later audio evidence will be able to shatter (shidoobee!)

So get STONESZAC today - and give some to a friend!

FREE WITH PURCHASE OF TICKET TO SUMMER TOUR 2007. Available for a nominal fee on rollingstones.com. Side effects include uncontrollable screaming of the name KEEF, hideously embarassing Jagger impersonations and cravings for "Indian Girl". If you listen to the Rolling Stones for 12 hours straight, you are probably rocking. Do not use with Wholoft.



Originally posted September 6, 2006, posted again for truth.
[Edited by Nasty Habits]



Grade A....This post needs to be in the Hall of Fame!!!

Voodoo and Gazza: Keep this handy for repeat posting at beginning of each whining fest experienced on RO!! A little like all those Cialis and Viagra commercials on TV....
7th June 2007 09:25 AM
mandrack Just a comment,

since this thread already became "What's wrong with Keith".
Now, 2 days after the concert, I can say that the overall the concert was good. Really good. Energy was there.
And that's only that counts ;-)

Keith could be better.That's right.I expect him to be the KR, and not Disney promoter and poser on stage. Simple as that. I made a comment about him, but I made it only on this board, because most of the people here see the Stones in the similar way, and can understand what do I mean.
I wouldn't make such comment in front of anyone else who is not Stones fan.
My expectations from the Stones are higher, they should be always at the top of their game. But that would require another thread.

Last year, I saw them in Dortmund.Keith was really good. But the concert sucked big time. 40C, audience reaction didn't exist,no energy, more dial in performance, big disappointment, even wanted to leave before the end.

Wercther, well what to say, good show. Almost close to excellent, for the reasons mentioned.
7th June 2007 10:47 AM
Sir Stonesalot >The element of surprise is totally beyond me<

Who is surprised? I'm not. This has been a trend over the past several years. Keith(or Ronnie) bitchin' up a show is, unfortunately, not a new thing.

Now, if I am expected to accept that going to a Stones show is now "hit or miss"...at the prices that The Stones charge...I'll stay home. If they were charging $20.00 to get in, I might feel differently. I'd probably be more willing to give 'em a break...but when I gotta pay $198.00 for nosebleeds at the back of the fucking building...you best be on yer fucking "A" game. And if you got no "A" game anymore...then fuck you...you ain't getting my money.

Look, if this really is The Greatest Rock n Roll Band on the Planet...then going to one of their shows shouldn't be a "hit or miss" thing. If they're the "Greatest" then shouldn't they be able to do a competent, professional show each night? C'mon, you can't be the "Greatest" at anything if you're unable to do whatever it is that you do competently on a regular basis. And when you have two guitar playeres who like to alternate taking nights "off"...putting on a competent Rock n Roll show is pretty damn hard to do. Fortunately Mick can pull their asses out of the fire sometimes. But there have been a lot of shows as of late that even Mick couldn't save. Too many. Way too many.

I do not expect, need, or want perfection from The Stones. I enjoy a "glorious mess" as much as the next guy. A bum note here and there, or a fill that doesn't quite work is no big deal. Shit happens. Been there, done that. However, there is a distinct difference between a few bum notes, and forgetting how the song goes. Especially when it's a song that you've played a bazillion times. There is no excuse for either Keith or Ronnie to get lost in any of these songs. These songs are like a second skin for those guys. They rehearse the shit out of 'em. Yet it is not a rare sight to see one of our guitar guys bumbling around, lost as hell, asking fucking Chuck Leavell where they should be! Or getting Blondie to freaking cover yer ass...how damn embarrassing is that? That shows a distinct lack of all sorts of stuff on their part. Lack of effort, lack of preparedness, lack of focus, hell it's even a lack of respect for your bandmates and paying audience. Those are not hallmarks of The World's Greatest Anything.

If they really are as great as we all seem to think they are, it should not be difficult for them to play a decent, professional, competent show every time they play. Without depending on your Frontman and back ups to gloss over shit. EVERY time. Notice I didn't say perfect. But I do expect competency and some passion. I don't think that's asking too much.

One of the things that drew me to The Stones was how they would play right on the ragged edge of total collapse...and yet somehow reel it back in an save it. It was exciting, seat of the pants stuff. And they saved it every time. It was the best Rock n Roll rollercoaster ever. But the Stones don't save it every time anymore. The rollercoaster actually crashes. And it has been happening at an increasingly alarming rate.

Again, the thing that is most frustrating to me...is that the band doesn't really seem to give a shit. I don't think they are too old, or any of that other nonsense. They STILL have the stuff in 'em. I just don't think that they could be bothered to dig deep to get to that stuff out anymore. If they can't be bothered to try, to put forth a little effort, to show some fucking PASSION for what they do...then don't fucking do it at all. These guys have done so much, meant so much to so many, that half-assing it is totally unacceptable. The Stones set the bar pretty fucking high. If they are not willing to go to the effort, to show the passion, required to stay above that bar....then they should stop.

To do otherwise risks turning a sterling legacy into a Van Halen type humiliation.

That would make me cry.

So get your fucking shit together boys. I'm not ready to get out my cryin' towel just yet.
7th June 2007 11:02 AM
ListenToTheLion We all know you are right Stonesalot. Some people are just obstinate.
7th June 2007 11:07 AM
GotToRollMe Well put, SS. Keith, get your shit together, man!
7th June 2007 11:25 AM
gimmekeef
quote:
GotToRollMe wrote:
Well put, SS. Keith, get your shit together, man!



I'm tryin...I'm tryin...of you mean the other one?...oohhhh never mind...He;ll be lights out Friday...mark my words...Course he should be every night
7th June 2007 11:27 AM
Sir Stonesalot >Remember the first time you saw the Stones? How did you feel during and after the show?

Did you ever hear a boot of that show later? Did the recording do your memory justice? <

Pittsburgh 1989. It was a Rock n Roll epiphany. I have the boot. It was even better than I remember it.

>Keith, get your shit together, man!<

Oh no...it's not just Keith. Ronald is guilty of the same shit. And when the band in question is a completely guitar driven band...and both of your guitar players are fucking off...Houston, we have a problem. And Chaz & Mick gotta eat some of the heat too...because they are not making their guitar slingers do their jobs. They let 'em get away with it. It's a team effort. If half your team is failing, then it's partly your fault for not getting them motivated and back on the rails.

Too rich. No hunger. No incentive to give it yer all. No reason to get fired up. Prescription for a bad fall.

It hurts me to watch it happen. It makes it worse knowing that there isn't shit that I can do about it.

7th June 2007 11:30 AM
Saint Sway this is one of the absolute coolest pics of all-time of Woody & Keith

they look like such bad-asses. A classic shot!!

quote:
Gazza wrote:


Pic from our good friend Chris Wouters from RSFC Belgium





is this for sale? I want to buy and frame it

does anyone have any info if this pic is available for sale? Its such a killer shot! I simply must have it!

TIA


[Edited by Saint Sway]
7th June 2007 12:17 PM
monkey_man
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:


Tired of the humiliating lows of Stones fanhood?

Does the news of new songs being sung on the street corner by Blondie and Bobby give you "new hope" that the "old magic" might finally be "rekindled"?

Do skyrocketing ticket prices, drunken goonery and fears of media ridicule make it difficult for you to LEAVE THE HOUSE, let alone PAY FOR THE PARKING LOT?

Well, Stones fans, there's a new product on the market to help you MELLOW OUT!

Yes, it's STONESZAC, that little yellow pill!

STONESZAC obliterates the soaring highs and crushing lows associated with being a Stones fan in the 21st Century, without ruining your enjoyment of Stones concerts themselves!

Shidoobee's reporting that they're actually making She's So Hot and She's So Cold into a If You Can't Rock Me/Get Off My Cloud style medley to be followed immediately by Let It Rock?

STONESZAC lets you keep your cool, hope for the best, but helps minimize your expectations!

jb gloating because he sees the stadium as half empty instead of half full? U2 Board mocking the Off-Off-Off-Stadium tour? Who fans using their Stones tickets as airguitar picks?

STONESZAC helps you remember that for two hours a night for the next couple months, if you pay your 22.50 per song, you won't CARE what anyone else thinks.

Best of all, Stoneszac's patented "uninhibitizers" and "ear goggles" fill in the missing spaces in the modern Stones sound, so while you're at the show you will be able to use words like Brusselsesque, "rebirth of a guitar hero", and "vitality" with an unshakeable conviction that no amount of later audio evidence will be able to shatter (shidoobee!)

So get STONESZAC today - and give some to a friend!

FREE WITH PURCHASE OF TICKET TO SUMMER TOUR 2007. Available for a nominal fee on rollingstones.com. Side effects include uncontrollable screaming of the name KEEF, hideously embarassing Jagger impersonations and cravings for "Indian Girl". If you listen to the Rolling Stones for 12 hours straight, you are probably rocking. Do not use with Wholoft.



Originally posted September 6, 2006, posted again for truth.
[Edited by Nasty Habits]



Effing Brilliant!!
7th June 2007 01:06 PM
mojoman
quote:
mrhipfl wrote:
sympathy.



infamy
7th June 2007 01:29 PM
polytoxic
quote:
pdog wrote:


I don't know.. I've listened to the Philly 81 boots, and they were a bit of a train wreck, but I remember tht wreck, and they still mamnged to repair stuff in the moment... I'm not seeing that, at least I didn't this tour... It's more like oh well!
I will spin both Philly shows again tonight, for a memeory of the wreck of the old days....



That's the thing. The beauty of the Stones "train wreck" style of performance was acheiving that sound of a band on the verge of falling apart, taking things to the very edge of calamity, but locking back into the groove at the last second. That was the thrill, the intangible that made the Stones the very essence of rock'n'roll. But I ain't seeing that now. And the level of playing is so completely at odds with the flash and polish of the stage show and backing band it verges on parody. And It pains me seeing my hero become a punchline.


Edit: looking back on the rest of the thread after posting this I realised Stonesalot covered this ground already, So Amen. Now all I need is a script for some Stoneszac.

Can't wait to hear the Paris thread!!!!!!



[Edited by polytoxic]
[Edited by polytoxic]
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