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| sirmoonie |
None of those tunes rings a bell, but I don't follow the German Top 40 pop charts very much at all.
I suppose I can't really say if this band plays good music, since I've never heard them, but it just seems that the Stones are being penny-wise, pound foolish. Sure, this will absolutely guarantee sell-outs in Germany, but it may hurt ticket sales elsewhere depending on how it plays in the media. I'm just wondering if its worth it. But then again I'm sure the Stones machine has got an army of bean counters and analysts checking into it. |
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| mac_daddy |
comparing Sheryl Crow to a group of racists? what is wrong with you? she might have slept her way up the music-biz food chain, but she isn't a racist, and suggesting that she is is preposterous...
by the way, we do have white-power/anti-Semmite pricks here in the States, too. Except they are so chickenshit that they hide behind hoods and cloaks. absolutely awful human beings...
those lyrics are horrible. I have no idea who is handling the Stones, but whoever it is didn't do their homework - there is NO WAY that the Stones should share the stage with guys that are singing that shit. And whoever booked this crap should lose their job (and the Stones should make he/she the public scapegoat to avoid embarrassment, or worse). Someone should tell the band to dump these guys now. Are they the opening act for more than one show?
I am sure if you asked him, Keith has his own reasoning for the cross (or any of the other sh*t dangling from his hair, for that matter)...
This reeks of oversight, pure and simple. Hopefully the band (Stones) and/or their handlers will recognize the error, and rectify the situation in time.
This sucks.
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
Alright. I sent a message to the handlers. I got the following response.
"dear sender,
we do not think that it's right to put Böhse Onkelz on the extreme right
wing. We recommend to look on the band's website (http://www.onkelz.de/) for
detailed information.
The band cooperates with several authorized foreigner representatives and
donates hundreds of thousands of Euros to the victims of violent crimes
right wing extremists."
Interesting. I can't read German, so I don't know what their site says. Can anyone translate?
-tSYX --- Oh help me, please doctor, I'm damaged...
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| swapwoodfortaylor |
What's all this political clap trap about? If a Neo -Nazi band can play good music......so fine, let them play. It doesn't effect me. I have not seen a Stones support band since 1965! I try to get there 10 mins before 'the off'. I have to admit to having missed a lot of Stones intros including one whole performance in Holland 82. If you want to bring politics into Stones performance decisions then surely you must ban the English tour given the warmongering and political deceit of Blair. |
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| Dan |
Nowhere did I suggest Sheryl is racist, just that I don't see how this band can be any worse to have to endure for 45 minutes. The mix is rarely good enough to hear the lyrics of the openers anyway. On the other hand I guess it just shows the ever declining quality of opening acts preceding the Stones at their concerts.
I am not the least bit familiar with the band and if I cared enough I would do my own research rather than base any opinion on an idiotic and provocotive post on IORR. But if the Stones or their representatives did in fact choose neo nazis to open with financial gain in mind...well I have been so desensitized over the years to the things they do to get us to throw ever increasing amounts of our money at them that even Mick auctioning off a night with Jade or Lizzy would fail to get much of an emotional reaction from me. |
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| sirmoonie |
Yeah, I guess you guys are right, politics should be left out of music. I don't suppose putting up a Nazi opening band in Germany is any different that putting up Buddy Guy in Chicago, Sumlin in New York, or Angus and Malcolm in Australia - whatever draws the most tickets is what matters to Stones, Inc. The hell with it, I'm not going to sweat it or any of these new rumors about the Stones headlining Swastapalooza the day after the Hamburg show. It only rock and roll..... |
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
I gave their website a run through the Babelfish translator, and the basic gist of it is "We were a Neo-Nazi band. We don't deny it. But we're not anymore, so fuck off."
I dunno. I find it hard to believe, but I know it happens. Isn't that guy who jumped up and down yelling "Segregation now, segregation forever" now one of the biggest civil rights activists in the country?
And sirmoonie, where's this assumption that Germany is packed to the gills with Neo-Nazis coming from? Last time I checked, they were an underground cult popular only because the education system put in place post-1945 made it sound like being a Nazi was like being a Punk in 1970s America. A bunch of ignorant kids running around with shaved heads and Doc Martens because they think it's cool. The real problem countries are places like Austria and France where the xenophobia really's starting to hit hard. France especially, with the influx of North African Muslims.
Don't go bashin' the Germans for being all Neo-Nazis. They've got a problem with it, but so do we. It's places that still actively practice, in their governments, those fascist techniques that we should be worried about.
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| sirmoonie |
quote:
TheSavageYoungXyzzy wrote:
And sirmoonie, where's this assumption that Germany is packed to the gills with Neo-Nazis coming from?
"Packed to the gills" are your words, but this is coming from books, periodicals, conversations with those with a relative degree of knowledge, time spent in Europe (including Germany), and last and least my out on a limb assumption they didn't knowingly hire an Nazi opening band to DECREASE ticket sales, which would undoubtedly be the major result if this happened anywhere else in the world (except Austria as you noted). Again, WTF???
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Don't go bashin' the Germans for being all Neo-Nazis.
I'm not, because most aren't. However, Frank said at Nuremburg that Germany's shame would last a thousand years - I personally feel that it should, but for most Germans, I don't think it even lasted a generation.
Peace and all that...lets hope Mick, Cohl et al. wise up and wax these clowns. Nobody needs them, especially Germany. |
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
I don't think they conciously chose 'em because they were Neo-Nazis - if the Stones actively chose 'em, they chose 'em because they liked their music. I don't think they'd try and boost ticket sales by hiring an ex-Neo-Nazi band - I think with all the attention its getting and the threats to boycott, it's a *bad* move no matter where you go.
Except Austria.
-tSYX --- And down in the ground there's a place where you go if you've been a bad boy... |
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| VOODOOSEBI |
I CAN`T BELIEVE THAT THIS FUCKING BASTARDS WILL OPEN FOR THE GREATEST ROCK`N`ROLL BAND IN MY HOMETOWN.
I`M REALLY SHOCKED...
THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!
WE HAVE TO BOMB THEM OF THE STAGE !!!! |
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| sirmoonie |
You make some valid points Savage Dog Pondering. It may be the tunes man, for the word on the strasse is that BohOnkies' cover version of the Horst Wessel song has had Berlin festival crowds jacking their boots all freakin' summer long! |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Xyzzy...The Stones don't chose ANY opening acts because they like their music. In fact, the Stones usually don't even know who is opening for them on any given date. In the pre tour interviews and stuff, Keith was asked if he liked any of the bands opening for them on this tour...He said that he liked Sheryl Crow and Chrissie Hynde, but hadn't heard any of the other bands that were scheduled. Mick said much the same thing. Charlie doesn't listen to that sort of music, so Ronnie is the only one who may have heard anyone scheduled...and he sure as hell doesn't schedule the openers.
It's got nothing to do with music. Keith STILL can't even remember Dave Matthews name.
Dude...it's the $$$. Every time. |
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
quote:
Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Ronnie is the only one who may have heard anyone scheduled...and he sure as hell doesn't schedule the openers.
Oh, how do we know? Can't you see Ronnie up in the office with Jake Cohl...
"Oh, Jake, these guys, these guys look good."
"Ronnie, they're sadomasochist neo-Nazi child-porn-advocating Christian Rap Strippers."
"Mmm. Sounds like the Faces 'cept without the music... Hire 'em."
You're right, though, looking back on it. Keith always says "Oh, I haven't heard 'em, I'll listen when they open for us" and stuff along those lines. I guess it is just local buzz or whatever, and they just picked up the wrong group without researching it.
After all, people generally *don't* come to see the opening act. They show up and if they're in time, then fine. But they're there to see the Stones. I hope.
-tSYX --- But'cha gonna be fine...
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| Hannalee |
According to the BBC the Stones are considering their options. What that will come to is anybody's guess.
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| jb |
Their only option is to fire this alleged former neo-nazi band as it is offensive to anyone who has a knowledge of history that any group, with even the slightest ties to such a movement, would be honored by opening for the WGRRB. |
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| sirmoonie |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2956018.stm
Note that the BohOnkies are the fourth largest selling band in Germany. Hmmm.......
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| onkelzfan |
Hey guys, i read all the post in this thread. i also can say your are crazy. The supporting band of the stones will be the böhsen onkelz. They aren't nazis. And when you think that in germany this fucking nazis will be come back then i can only laugh on you. I hate nazis and in germany there are no more then 0.03 % nazi. In england or in america there are more then 5.0 % nazi. In america because of the black man and in england because of the pakistani. I think you have to go to school to learn how to think right. And you have to read good newspaper and watch the news on tv. But you also think germany is a land of nazis. But watch at your land.
The böhsen onkelz sings against nazis, they collect more money on conzerts against nazis then the stones or Paul mcCartney or so. Think about it. |
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| onkelzfan |
1.here
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and here
listen to this english interview, it's from 25.5.2003, listen to it, and your opinion about this band will be changed |
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| Dogge |
Why does all english and american people think that all germans are racists?
The Onkelz are no nazi-band!
They made misstakes but this was 20 years ago!!!
They played concerts against racism!
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| Dogge |
And please don't believe everything the newspapers wrote.
The press suxx! |
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| Dogge |
quote:
TheSavageYoungXyzzy wrote:
I gave their website a run through the Babelfish translator, and the basic gist of it is "We were a Neo-Nazi band. We don't deny it. But we're not anymore, so fuck off."
I dunno. I find it hard to believe, but I know it happens. Isn't that guy who jumped up and down yelling "Segregation now, segregation forever" now one of the biggest civil rights activists in the country?
And sirmoonie, where's this assumption that Germany is packed to the gills with Neo-Nazis coming from? Last time I checked, they were an underground cult popular only because the education system put in place post-1945 made it sound like being a Nazi was like being a Punk in 1970s America. A bunch of ignorant kids running around with shaved heads and Doc Martens because they think it's cool. The real problem countries are places like Austria and France where the xenophobia really's starting to hit hard. France especially, with the influx of North African Muslims.
Don't go bashin' the Germans for being all Neo-Nazis. They've got a problem with it, but so do we. It's places that still actively practice, in their governments, those fascist techniques that we should be worried about.
-tSYX --- Ain't superstitious...
My english is even bad, but i think you are one who is more thinking then the others in this board! |
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| sirmoonie |
quote:
Dogge wrote:
Why does all english and american people think that all germans are racists?
Gee, beats the living hell out of me why anyone would think such a crazy thought there, Doggie.
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| Dogge |
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sirmoonie wrote:
Gee, beats the living hell out of me why anyone would think such a crazy thought there, Doggie.
"BohOnkelz my scrotal pate to a fine sheen, Ronald!"
Sorry, but I dont understand a word you wrote...
Do you speak german? |
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| sirmoonie |
quote:
Dogge wrote:
Sorry, but I dont understand a word you wrote...
Don't worry about it, only a select few could decipher that passage. In fact, if you ever DO understand what I'm saying, then its time to worry.
Ich nicht sprache Deutsch. Ein bischen? Heute is meine geburtstag. Diese rock is kleid. Weinerschnitzel! Wohin is der badezimmer? Du bist ein fagella!
I'm glad these Onkelz have renounced their ways and that it was such a long time ago, Dogge. Seriously. |
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| jb |
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| sirmoonie |
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jb wrote:
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| jb |
We really have overcome our differences! |
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| Dogge |
quote:
sirmoonie wrote:
Don't worry about it, only a select few could decipher that passage. In fact, if you ever DO understand what I'm saying, then its time to worry.
Ich nicht sprache Deutsch. Ein bischen? Heute is meine geburtstag. Diese rock is kleid. Weinerschnitzel! Wohin is der badezimmer? Du bist ein fagella!
I'm glad these Onkelz have renounced their ways and that it was such a long time ago, Dogge. Seriously.
Doh, I DIDN'T unterstand...
right?
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| JaggaRichards |
A pal of mine has family in Berlin.
He says they haven't had a good nights sleep since 1945. |
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| icydanger |
trends
rebellious kids
who hasnt been?
reactions to systems
as long as they became aware and conscient.
people can sure suffer from a one phase bad image
just think of the stones reputation 30?
how many years back?
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songs censored
what counts is the MUSIC
so i hope the stones will listen to them before they decide.
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