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Yeah. What a pussie. Fucker was in country 2 days before he hit the jungle. It took the sorry candy-ass 2 days to get his ass in gear! Spent the rest of his time in country getting shot at, pulling wounded comrades outta the damn rice paddies, waxing whatever Cong stuck his head out too far. Dumb bastard even went and got himself wounded. Wounded bad enough that they shipped his sorry wussie ass the fuck outta there. What a cunt.
Now, how many days have you spent in uniform Riffie?
I did 3 years in the MPs. Honest, I did NOT torture one single prisoner. I beat the ever livin' fuck out of a guy who slashed me with a straight razor though...but he wasn't a prisoner yet. I took 63 stitches, he missed my jugular by about 4 inches. I'll show you my scar next time we hoist a few. I also unloaded my .45 into a carload of Red Army Faction terrorists. Not exactly combat, but scary enough for a 19 year old kid from backwoods PA. I am a veteran of the US Army.
I'm gonna tell you something, and you may not believe it...but I can guarantee that the vast majority of troops wanna get the fuck outta that fuckin' desert. They do NOT give a FUCK about the politics behind this "war"...all they want to do is survive. I'm telling you right now...our guys ain't fighting for George Bush Jr....they are fighting for the guys in their unit. THAT is who they care about. That is the way it was when my grandpa's served in WWII, that's the way it was when I served, and that is the way it is now.
I will say this one more time. If this war was really about stopping terrorism, I would give it my full support. But it clearly has NOTHING at all to do with that. Our administration has ulterior motives. They made up false intel to give us the pretext for invading a foriegn nation. Now, as a vet, here is the part that REALLY pisses me off. The George Bush Jr administration MADE UP false pretext to send our fighting men and women to shed their blood. I don't take kindly to that. You think it's OK for our soldiers to be shedding blood under false pretext??? I don't.
Lemme tell you about the time way back when...when Cowboy Ronnie was running the show. He was my Commander-In-Chief. My company was the active duty company the day Ronnie decided to blow up Khadafi's kids. I'm sure you remember that. I sure do. I was 20 years old, sitting in a red lit basement. My face was painted with desert cammo. I had a full combat load of ammo for my M203 grenade launcher...6 30 round banana clips, and 20 rounds for the launcher. I also had my .45 and six 9 round clips for it. My gear was already on the back of a duece, which was sitting out in the parking lot, engine running. Waiting for us at Reine Main AF Base was a C-130. We would literally just ride right into the cargo hold in our trucks and jeeps(we hadn't got our shipment of new Hummers yet)...and off we were gonn fly to Libya. Now, I didn't give a fuck about Libya...neither did anyone else in my squad. We had just been briefed that our duty was traffic control at major roadway intersections. That part didn't sound too bad. The part that sounded bad was the part where we had to do route recon, and take and hold the intersections. In front of the infantry, in front of the armour. We all agreed that this sounded like a good way to get killed. Rest assured Ronnie Reagan was not a crowd favorite at the time. We all vowed to each other that we wouldn't go "Rambo". We would all watch each other's asses. If someone got killed we'd make sure they were taken care of. And we'd go see their folks if we made it back to the world. That if we got fubar(fuck up beyond all recognition), that we'd pop a round and not let anyone suffer. No shit. These were the conversations that were going on. There was no rah rah red white and blue we'll put a boot in your ass it's the American way nonsense. We were a bunch of scared fuckin' kids trying to wrap their heads around going off to war in a country that we could have cared less about. Some guys just sat and stared at the wall. Some guys had a prayer circle. I guess the prayers worked because the call never came. We stayed in that fuckin basement for 3 days. I'll never forget that feeling. It wasn't one of the more pleasant feelings I've ever had...not by a long shot.
It's easy for people who are thousands of miles away,comfy in their homes, watching fair and balanced FoxNews to be all gung ho for the war. Put on a uniform, grab an M-16, and go sit in a basement for 3 days waiting to go get shot at. Let's see how fuckin' gung ho you are then.
I was willing to go, didn't have much choice in the matter really...but it wasn't for God & Country...it was for the guys in my squad. It was for Lonnie and Brad and Kenji and Jeff and Dowd and Frankie. I was gonna fight for those guys...to keep them alive. To get us all the hell out of there still breathing. I don't expect it'd be any different with troops today. Troops is troops.
I haven't watched the Nick Berg video. I don't need to. I'm sure it's awful and sickening. What happened to him was horrible. It disgusts me.
So do the picture of my fellow MPs humiliating and torturing Iraqi prisoners. Wrong is wrong in any language. So how many wrongs make what happened to Nick Berg right? How many Nick Bergs will there be because of those pictures of mistreatment of prisoners?
And you know what...if we hadn't invaded under false pretext, Nick Berg would still be alive today. Those MPs would be giving out parking tickets wherever they were based instead of making gay S&M porn.
Before you say...let's nuke the fuckers...put yourself in the combat boots of a soldier, then ask yourself if it's REALLY worth it.
decaf anyone ?
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| throbby |
[quote]Donny Rummy wrote:
Duh.
Don't you mean Duhbya?
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| jpenn11 |
sirmoonie
Thank you thank you thank you for your service to our country.
Also thanks for that illuminating long post. An ounce of experience is worth more than a ton of partisanship. Any righteous indignation in your post was well earned.
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| stewed & Keefed |
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| telecaster |
These questions, teleass:
Teleass? SS are why are you getting so uptight? Lighten up Francis. Your wife will be working shortly. But if it will make you feel accepted I will call you Sir StonesAss
”>You think it's OK for our soldiers to be shedding blood under false pretext???<”
The same pretext that Clinton, UN, Russia, Germany, Gore, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy
France, Saddam himself, and the majority of Democrats in Congress & Senate used? That Iraq had WMD and was not complying with the UN Resolution 1444 or the prior 17 UN Security Council resolultions? That pretext?
>how many days have you spent in uniform <
Zero. I never had a homosexual experience either. Can I have an opinion on gay rights? I never have murdered anyone or been murdered. Can I comment on the death penalty? I will assume you are not in the top 5% of taxpayers so I am sure you never comment on “tax cuts for the wealthy” since you are not one of them
>Put on a uniform, grab an M-16, and go sit in a basement for 3 days waiting to go get shot at. Let's see how fuckin' gung ho you are then?<
I would love to be there right now. What a great thing to do. Just cause you freaked out doesn’t mean everyone else does. Interviews I see those guys look damn gung ho. Incredibly so
>So how many wrongs make what happened to Nick Berg right?<
None. Separate issues. Stupid question
”>How many Nick Bergs will there be because of those pictures of mistreatment of prisoners? <”
Who knows. The four contractors and Daniel Pearl never had a chance to hear of Nick Berg did they? Don’t see you mourning their loss. You have a bad case of selective outrage. But using your “how long did you wear the uniform” case above since you have not been murdered by terrorists you do not have legitimate background to comment.
”>put yourself in the combat boots of a soldier, then ask yourself if it's REALLY worth it.<”
The soldiers and Marines I see interviewed say it is worth it. The 3 books I have read by inbed reporters say the troops say it is worth it. But if SS doesn’t believe it I guess we should pull out Iraq because you say so and you know all
Again, I eagerly await your answers.
”Oh, lemme answer your question tele...as for Flea not taking your bet. I would assume that the reason he hasn't answered you is because he won't stoop to your level of retardedness. He's probably content to just let you look like an asshole all by yourself.”
Good point SSA. Let’s sit here everyday and listen to Flea & yourself whine about the campaign and tell the board how Bush is going to lose on a daily basis and debate the issue until the election. Fascinating stuff for the board members. Much better than putting your money where you mouth is and shutting up about till the election.
”And Mr Hound...I know no one forced Nick Berg to go to Iraq. That still does not change the fact that Nick Berg would not have been in Iraq without Mr Bush's war. Without Mr Bush's war Nick Berg would have no reason to go to Iraq. There is no way around it, George Bush Jr bears responsibility for Nick Berg's death. As well as the deaths of all our soldiers who have died in Iraq, and the deaths of all Iraqis, men, women, and children...both guilty and innocent...who have died in our invasion and occupation.”
StonesAss you sound just like Bin Laden, Al Jazzera & the Taliban!! Did you get that shit off an Al Queda website? Keep on carry the water for terrorists, that will get Kerry elected
Nice company you keep
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| mac_daddy |
so where's the pic from the night of the Dylan show..?
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| Bloozehound |
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good lord throbby
What are you still in lib 101 ?
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| Sir Stonesalot |
So now we get down to it.
Now SS is pals with Al-Queda.
That's funny as hell, seeing as how I have actually fought terrorists in a very REAL sense.
Yes, I am outraged at the murder of our citizens. I always have been. I was also outraged when Somalis dragged our soldiers through those dirty streets in the "Blackhawk Down" incident. I was pissed when they shot that poor fellow in the wheelchair and dumped him off the side of the Achile Laro. Hell, I was just a little kid, but I remember being pissed off during the Munich Olympic Games in '72. What happened to Danny Pearl and Nick Berg sickened and disgusted me, as well as outraged me. The four slain contractors...horrid. My heart breaks for their kids, who have to go through life without Dad. I certainly understand your anger because I feel it too. I also remember standing in front of the TV on 9/11 with tears streaming down my cheeks. Oh yeah, I was plenty mad. Go back in the archives and read my posts, if the archives go back that far.
But to answer violence with violence is not the answer. Yes yes I know, it's all those ragheads understand. But people have been waging violence on those people since before the age of the Caesars and it HAS NEVER WORKED. Not once. And it never will.
I don't have the answers. People far smarter than I don't have the answers either. But I know what we are doing isn't right. And I know I don't like seeing American soldiers lives wasted...especially by a President who literally fabricated the reasons for wasting those lives.
I would rather we have used those 100,000+ troops to find Bin Laden. Remember that guy? I thought he was the guy we're supposed to be after. Bin Laden and Al-Queda are who we should be fighting. That is who the real enemy has always been. And the longer we let Iraq distract us, the longer he has to rebuild his strength. The more time he has to put together his next plan of attack. Dubya got us sidetracked. And we are gonna pay dearly for it. Our borders are still a sieve.
I do regret the name calling that I have done in this thread. I should not have allowed myself to stoop down to another's level. I mean, I went and did the same thing that I said that we as a country should not be doing. I should not have done that. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
I hope that you will all understand that having experienced some of the things that I went through in my life...I can be a little...touchy about some things. I just feel so...bad, angry...about what is happening that sometimes it just bubbles over. I can't really talk to my wife about it because she's a Toby Keith fan(for some reason, I love her in spite of that)....so I vent here. For those of you who put up with it, I thank you.
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinions. I should be more tolerant...especially when confronted with intolerance. Sometimes I get frustrated when others can't, or won't, see my side of things. Especially when I know I'm right....and I almost always am. LOL. But when I'm wrong, I am also man enough to admit it.
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Bloozehound wrote:
good lord throbby
What are you still in lib 101 ?
If "lib 101" means I maintain my right to question those in authority than I'll wear the badge PROUDLY!!!
LJ.
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| throbby |
Thanks Zeeta!
Well said LJ!
Howdy to my cute little wooden headed friend.
I'm way past 101 baby!
Seriously though, I would think we all share a few of the liberal viewpoints if we're posting on a Stones message board.
Is what was once viewed as subversive in '64 now viewed as conservative in '04?
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The last thing I want to get into here is a political pissing match with people that I like and have tippled pints with. I will,however,try and explain my belief in this war and the Bush mandate with regards to the "War on Terror".
As I have stated before the West has turned it's back on the entire Middle East for well over sixty plus years now. As a result tyrants,despots,and meglomaniacs have raped the region of it's natural resources. I'm not just talking about oil here. Oil is not the reason,nor the cause,for this war. If it were we could have invaded Venezuela for much cheaper. No,oil is only one of the major resources in the Mid East. The other is the younger generations,mostly males,of the region.
The region has fallen prey to meglomaniacs like Saddam and Assad,while it has also been highjacked by religeous fanatics ala, Bin Laden,the Ayotollas,and other whackos. Both groups have turned the whole area into a pit of despair and Western resentment. Saddam made it a habbit to deflect all of Iraq's problems onto the West and,ofcourse,Israel. He was brutal to his own people not to mention every country within his scuds range. He had the world believeing that the UN impossed sanctions were responsible for his countries high infant mortaility rate and other domestic problems. The facts don't even come close to backing up his "blame America and the Jews" answer. The UN's Oil for Food program has proven that all of those "moraly high minded" countries like France,Germany,and Russia were only in it for the under-the-table cash that Saddam was kicking back their way. Ten point one billion dollars fleeced from the Iraqi people! The largest scandal in the history of the world! Guess what? George W. Bush,nor Halliburton got one penny of that stolen money. Cheriac did though. So did Schroeder. As well as Putin.
Now these three world leaders sit in moral judgment of the USA?! Seems a little more than hypocritical to me. No,in fact,it seems down right wrong. None of these "enlightened" countries lost over three thousand of their citizens in a single day. Yet,they were all profitting from the tyrant of Iraq. Gee,I guess ten point one billion dollors clouds one's judgment and allegience?
Bottom line-
1.-Saddam put out a hit on a former US president.
2.-Saddam had violated 17 seperate UN resolutions. (Ofcourse,the Oil for Food scandal shows us why nobody on the Security Council wanted to back up the threats.No profit in that!)
3.-Saddam was continualy firing at US and UK jets patroling the no-fly zones.
4.-Saddam had NOT accounted for his WMD's.
5.-The United States of America suffered the worst single day act of terrorism in the history of civilization.
Add all these up and it's easy to see why Iraq made such an obvious target.
Whether you believe that Saddam and Bin Laden acted in concert with each other or not is a completely moot point. Just the threat that they might one day was reason enough to act. After 9/11/01 all bets were off.
People love to compare Iraq to Nam. That's wrong in so many ways that I will not bother to list them. Suffice it to say that the death count during one week in Veitnam (Tet) was greater than the mortality that we've suffered in over a year in Iraq.
This war resembles WW2 much closer than it does Nam. In WW2 you had two very different enemies working towards the same agenda. Germany could be compared to Al Queda. Both had/have a belief in a ethnic/religious purity.Both also believed/believe in a "final solution". Japan,like Saddam's Iraq,had the desire to control it's region of the world. Saddam had been a threat in the Middle East for his entire rule. Hirohito was likewise trying to cotrol his entire region in the South Pacific.
No one would argue that Hitler and Hirohito were acting completely in concert with each other,yet they were in communication with each other in order to pursue their individual goals. So history(always being the best teacher)shows us that two diparate groups will indeed act together when it suites their agenda.
The writing was on the wall for the world,and Saddam,to see. His time was over after 9/11/01. The rest of the world,and Saddam,not only couldn't see the writing on the wall. They chose to ignore the wall entirely.
Bush didn't.
This war with Iraq was going to happen no matter what. It was just a matter of time. Saddam,unlike Khaddfi(sp?)had no desire to ever join the world community or better his country. He was always in it for himself and his sons. He had to go. Better to take him out now than wait for him to really become a global threat.
That's my question. Why wait?
Riffhard
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Just b/c you are a liberal or conservative does not necessarily mandate that you go along with the party line on every issue. As a life-long democrat, I have a lot of conflict over my feelings for Bush. While I disagree with his stand on abortion rights, stem-cell research, affirmative action, and his attempt to fill the judiciary with Judges who are anti-choice, I generally support his views on being fiscally conservative and the role the U.S. must play on the war on terror....I fully supported our decision to invade Iraq....while I am extremely concerned about the way things have gone post Saddam, we did go in with noble intentions. I don't think any of us thought that we would simply invade a country of 25 million people and not suffer any casualties or post-war difficulties. Nonetheless, it appears as though the post war planning was negliegent at best...Hopefully, upon turning over sovereignty to the Iraqi's on June 30th, they will decide which direction they want to go in-a religious theocracy or a democrat form of government....We did our best to give them this choice and those nearly 800 plus soldiers did not die in vain-they fought to not only protect us from terrorists who seek our annililation, but to free the Iraqi people and the world from a mad man who killed over a million of his fellow Muslims and posed a clear and present threat to our security. |
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I generally support his views on being fiscally conservative.....
Now that is fucking funny! Are you watching what that borrow and spend retard liberal in translucent "conservative" clothing is doing?
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..............I've HAD IT with Michael !!!!!!!!!!
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Joey wrote:
..............I've HAD IT with Michael !!!!!!!!!!
Michael? |
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Michael Jackson !
.............. Jacko !
................Jercee !
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Hello? Anyone there? SS? Sirmoonie? FPM?
I took time to respond to this question and now there seems to be a deafening silence. What up wit tat?
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| Joey |
" What up wit tat? "
Thanks Riffy .
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| Gazza |
Maybe we're all bored with having to read so much political crap here and seeing every bloody thread hijacked (not by you personally Riffie, just generalising) |
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| Bloozehound |
Tomorrows the 20th so what the fuck is up with the Stones studio sessions ?
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| throbby |
Yes, we need some Stones news!
We also need more photos on this thread. |
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| stonedinaustralia |
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We also need more photos on this thread.
yes - i am still waiting to see the the shot that FPM posted to start this thing!! |
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| Bloozehound |
just go to that post & hit the edit option. It gives u the url. Pop that in the address window of your browser and viola |
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| throbby |
Bloozehound! Thanks for the tip.
Hope you boys don't mind me helping with this picture.
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| mac_daddy |
classic.
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| parmeda |
Thank you, Throbby...and well worth the wait, I might add.
And you'll be happy to know that I have sent a copy to the local post offices for cross-referencing the most wanted lists 
Nah...you guys are adorable! Pictures do tell a story. If I remember correctly, the stories that were told all fit-the-bill with this photo! |
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| gypsy |
And I thought oldkr would look the scariest... |
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| Zack |
Who's who in the photo? |
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