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| gypsy |
I was semi-kidding...but I am more angered by the Berg beheading (along w/ all of the other horrid things these crazy fucks do to others) than I am of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.
About the pic...I can't see it either...but I did make up my own visual of what each of the guys look like...and masturbated like there was no tomorrow! |
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| FPM C10 |
Yeah, I dunno what the hell's up with the picture - I can't see it now either. I e-mailed it to Voodoo.
I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition when I chided Telecaster for his political affiliation, but whatever. I knew he was an asshole and should've kept my mouth shut. Sorry I facilitated hi-jacking my own thread.
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| sirmoonie |
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The same cannot be said about Kerry,who continually harps on the fact that he was in Nam for all of four fucking months. Join us here in the 21st century Johnboy.
Riffie, the only reason I'm responding is because I've met you and I've read your posts for years now and know you to be intelligent and reasonable.
From what I've seen, Kerry's detractors raise this Vietnam "issue" more than he does. Kerry didn't even pursue disclosing his war records, which ended up showing that he was well thought of as an armed soldier, he killed 20 commies, he saved American lives, and he was wounded in combat with the enemy. I'm surprised he doesn't recite that every day of his campaign.
I don't understand criticisms like yours - "in Nam for all of four fucking months" - I'm almost disgusted by them. Thats four months longer than you (or George Bush) ever spent in a foreign war zone defending your country. In America, we usually don't treat decorated veterans like that. We don't minimize the sacrifices made by those who risked their lives serving their country in such a cavalier and casual way. Frankly, I think its un-American to do so.
I think this military service issue is totally irrelevant and cannot for the life of me figure out why Bush supporters think it matters. However, the bottom line is that Kerry experienced the Vietnam war first hand, then made an informed decision that it was not in the best interests of his country, and went about trying to end it. George Bush did everything he could to avoid experiencing the Vietnam war, then made a totally un-informed decision that it was a good idea, and set on a course of doing whatever it is he has done in his adult life. If this were a deciding issue in this election (and it certainly should NOT be) there is no question as to who the better candidate is.
But anyway, Riffie, aside from who defended their country better than who, I agree on the larger picture. Islam is the enemy, its ideology is no different than German ideology. How to fight it, that is the question that I see no easy answers to (which is why retards shouldn't be in the debate or decision process).
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| BILL PERKS |
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LadyJane wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, gyps.
Our problem is not with the ALL Muslims...the extremists who favor Jihad are the enemy.
But I gotta tell ya...my FIRST thought after watching that video..."Nuke the entire region."
Pam..I can't see the damn pic either. I was able to view it earlier. Hopefully, Flea will e-mail this gem to Voodoo.
LJ.
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>he was in Nam for all of four fucking months.<
Yeah. What a pussie. Fucker was in country 2 days before he hit the jungle. It took the sorry candy-ass 2 days to get his ass in gear! Spent the rest of his time in country getting shot at, pulling wounded comrades outta the damn rice paddies, waxing whatever Cong stuck his head out too far. Dumb bastard even went and got himself wounded. Wounded bad enough that they shipped his sorry wussie ass the fuck outta there. What a cunt.
Now, how many days have you spent in uniform Riffie?
I did 3 years in the MPs. Honest, I did NOT torture one single prisoner. I beat the ever livin' fuck out of a guy who slashed me with a straight razor though...but he wasn't a prisoner yet. I took 63 stitches, he missed my jugular by about 4 inches. I'll show you my scar next time we hoist a few. I also unloaded my .45 into a carload of Red Army Faction terrorists. Not exactly combat, but scary enough for a 19 year old kid from backwoods PA. I am a veteran of the US Army.
I'm gonna tell you something, and you may not believe it...but I can guarantee that the vast majority of troops wanna get the fuck outta that fuckin' desert. They do NOT give a FUCK about the politics behind this "war"...all they want to do is survive. I'm telling you right now...our guys ain't fighting for George Bush Jr....they are fighting for the guys in their unit. THAT is who they care about. That is the way it was when my grandpa's served in WWII, that's the way it was when I served, and that is the way it is now.
I will say this one more time. If this war was really about stopping terrorism, I would give it my full support. But it clearly has NOTHING at all to do with that. Our administration has ulterior motives. They made up false intel to give us the pretext for invading a foriegn nation. Now, as a vet, here is the part that REALLY pisses me off. The George Bush Jr administration MADE UP false pretext to send our fighting men and women to shed their blood. I don't take kindly to that. You think it's OK for our soldiers to be shedding blood under false pretext??? I don't.
Lemme tell you about the time way back when...when Cowboy Ronnie was running the show. He was my Commander-In-Chief. My company was the active duty company the day Ronnie decided to blow up Khadafi's kids. I'm sure you remember that. I sure do. I was 20 years old, sitting in a red lit basement. My face was painted with desert cammo. I had a full combat load of ammo for my M203 grenade launcher...6 30 round banana clips, and 20 rounds for the launcher. I also had my .45 and six 9 round clips for it. My gear was already on the back of a duece, which was sitting out in the parking lot, engine running. Waiting for us at Reine Main AF Base was a C-130. We would literally just ride right into the cargo hold in our trucks and jeeps(we hadn't got our shipment of new Hummers yet)...and off we were gonn fly to Libya. Now, I didn't give a fuck about Libya...neither did anyone else in my squad. We had just been briefed that our duty was traffic control at major roadway intersections. That part didn't sound too bad. The part that sounded bad was the part where we had to do route recon, and take and hold the intersections. In front of the infantry, in front of the armour. We all agreed that this sounded like a good way to get killed. Rest assured Ronnie Reagan was not a crowd favorite at the time. We all vowed to each other that we wouldn't go "Rambo". We would all watch each other's asses. If someone got killed we'd make sure they were taken care of. And we'd go see their folks if we made it back to the world. That if we got fubar(fuck up beyond all recognition), that we'd pop a round and not let anyone suffer. No shit. These were the conversations that were going on. There was no rah rah red white and blue we'll put a boot in your ass it's the American way nonsense. We were a bunch of scared fuckin' kids trying to wrap their heads around going off to war in a country that we could have cared less about. Some guys just sat and stared at the wall. Some guys had a prayer circle. I guess the prayers worked because the call never came. We stayed in that fuckin basement for 3 days. I'll never forget that feeling. It wasn't one of the more pleasant feelings I've ever had...not by a long shot.
It's easy for people who are thousands of miles away, comfy in their homes, watching fair and balanced FoxNews to be all gung ho for the war. Put on a uniform, grab an M-16, and go sit in a basement for 3 days waiting to go get shot at. Let's see how fuckin' gung ho you are then.
I was willing to go, didn't have much choice in the matter really...but it wasn't for God & Country...it was for the guys in my squad. It was for Lonnie and Brad and Kenji and Jeff and Dowd and Frankie. I was gonna fight for those guys...to keep them alive. To get us all the hell out of there still breathing. I don't expect it'd be any different with troops today. Troops is troops.
I haven't watched the Nick Berg video. I don't need to. I'm sure it's awful and sickening. What happened to him was horrible. It disgusts me.
So do the picture of my fellow MPs humiliating and torturing Iraqi prisoners. Wrong is wrong in any language. So how many wrongs make what happened to Nick Berg right? How many Nick Bergs will there be because of those pictures of mistreatment of prisoners?
And you know what...if we hadn't invaded under false pretext, Nick Berg would still be alive today. Those MPs would be giving out parking tickets wherever they were based instead of making gay S&M porn.
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Oldkr is 20 and a university student - his name comes direct from keef
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| Jumacfly |
speaking of mickael Moore, bowling for columbine was great...but the last one seems greater..i ve learned for instance that Bushie spent 42% of his time having fun and playing golf...
hope it will be 100% soon!! 
cheers a todos..
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| Jumacfly |
oh and where is the famous pic of our RO pals??? |
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| Joey |
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Jumacfly wrote:
oh and where is the famous pic of our RO pals???
http://www.novogate.com/board/968/140615-1.html |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Whaaaaa???
No reply to my questions from the gung-ho Bushites yet?
I'm shocked. Not.
Another question for you....ask Nick Berg's parents if they think that what happened to their son is worth what George Bush Jr is asking us to pay for his "vision" of the Middle East.
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| jb |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Whaaaaa???
No reply to my questions from the gung-ho Bushites yet?
I'm shocked. Not.
Another question for you....ask Nick Berg's parents if they think that what happened to their son is worth what George Bush Jr is asking us to pay for his "vision" of the Middle East.
I eagerly await the answers to my questions.
Nick Berg , contrary to his parents, was a Bush supporter and tried to make a difference in Iraq. But for the Iraqi police tipping off AL Queda about his whereabouts b/c he was a Jew, he would be alive. It's not politically correct to criticise his parents at this time, but how they could possibly blame Bush for this is beyond me...I'm so tired ot the 'blame America first" crowd. He was killed b/c he was an American Jew..plain and simple....
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| Bloozehound |
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jb wrote:
He was killed b/c he was an American Jew..plain and simple....
[Edited by jb]
sad but true jb
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Right.
So you are saying that if there was no war in Iraq right now...Nick Berg would still have gone to Iraq anyhow, and would still have lost his head...just because he was a Jew.
You have let emotion cloud your judgement.
Iraq is George Bush Jr's war. He brought it on. As Commander-In-Chief, he is responsible for what happens there. He is the one who ordered the troops in. He is the one who declared Mission Accomplished! He is the one who gave the OK for US contractors to go into Iraq while it was still hot. Mr Bush is not alone in responsibility for what happened to my fellow Pennsylvanian. I certainly blame the thugs that did the actual act. But it is also right to blame George because Nick Berg should NEVER have been there in Iraq in the first place. It's not partisan bullshit...it's a simple fact. He would not be dead if he wasn't there to be kidnapped and assasinated.
Do you think he will be the last one JB??? I don't. As long as we keep giving them easy targets, it will continue to happen. |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Whaaaaa???
No reply to my questions from the gung-ho Bushites yet?
I'm shocked. Not.
Another question for you....ask Nick Berg's parents if they think that what happened to their son is worth what George Bush Jr is asking us to pay for his "vision" of the Middle East.
I eagerly await the answers to my questions.
You mean there is a question in your 100,000 word sermon?
Where?
Also, I guess you do have to answer for FPM as he avoided and ducked my offer for a $1000 bet on the election.
Shocker? Not
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| Bloozehound |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
But it is also right to blame George because Nick Berg should NEVER have been there in Iraq in the first place. It's not partisan bullshit...it's a simple fact. He would not be dead if he wasn't there to be kidnapped and assasinated.
no one made Berg go to Iraq SS
Did evil George Bush twist his arm and make him go ?
Last I heard he was told he should leave, but for some reason he refused.
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| Donny Rummy |
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telecaster wrote:
You mean there is a question in your 100,000 word sermon?
Where?
Also, I guess you do have to answer for FPM as he avoided and ducked my offer for a $1000 bet on the election.
Shocker? Not
You win the 2nd place $1000 prize for the stupidest poster on Rocks Off. Trust me - the competition was stiff, Monkey Woman gets first place, at $2000 . Please email me at [email protected] for info about obtaining your prize. Congrats!
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| jb |
Any commannder and chief who sends our troops to war obviously is burdened with the fact that such a decison will lead to the deaths of our brave servicemen/woman. Yet, like all prior generations, this generation has been asked to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect the world from tyrannical despots who could aide terrorists seeking our destrucution.....the fact that we liberated 25 million Iraqi's should also not be overlooked...We are a peaceful nation who was forced, by the actions of Muslim extremists, to change the way we look at conventional national defense issues..No longer could we sit back and assume we were safe...preemptive action is not only justifiable, but a necessity...God forbid we allow another 9/11 with even worse consequences. |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
These questions, teleass:
>You think it's OK for our soldiers to be shedding blood under false pretext???<
>how many days have you spent in uniform <
>Put on a uniform, grab an M-16, and go sit in a basement for 3 days waiting to go get shot at. Let's see how fuckin' gung ho you are then?<
>So how many wrongs make what happened to Nick Berg right?<
>How many Nick Bergs will there be because of those pictures of mistreatment of prisoners? <
>put yourself in the combat boots of a soldier, then ask yourself if it's REALLY worth it.<
Again, I eagerly await your answers.
Oh, lemme answer your question tele...as for Flea not taking your bet. I would assume that the reason he hasn't answered you is because he won't stoop to your level of retardedness. He's probably content to just let you look like an asshole all by yourself.
And Mr Hound...I know no one forced Nick Berg to go to Iraq. That still does not change the fact that Nick Berg would not have been in Iraq without Mr Bush's war. Without Mr Bush's war Nick Berg would have no reason to go to Iraq. There is no way around it, George Bush Jr bears responsibility for Nick Berg's death. As well as the deaths of all our soldiers who have died in Iraq, and the deaths of all Iraqis, men, women, and children...both guilty and innocent...who have died in our invasion and occupation.
Did you ever serve Bloozehound? |
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| jb |
Look, I would be the first to agree with you when guys like Cheney or Rove criticise Kerry's military record....they are indeed "chicken hawks" as they never served and actually avoided serving at all cost..Nonetheless, we do have a volunteer army, no longer a draft, and those who sighn up know that there is a strong possibility they could face combat....they are not therfe to question the political correctness of such orders-but to serve and defend our country. |
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| Joey |
...............and the Moon ............Rose ..................Over an Open Field . |
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| jb |
quote:
Joey wrote:
...............and the Moon ............Rose ..................Over an Open Field .
I will slow down as I approach 10k so we can do it together. |
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| Joey |
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jb wrote:
I will slow down as I approach 10k so we can do it together.
I would like to nuzzle you . |
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| throbby |
For those of you who say the draft won't happen I have a question. If the U.S. has one fourth of its military in Iraq and still can't seal the borders, thus preventing more of these Islamic extremists from crossing into Iraq, how the hell are they going to bring the current situation in Iraq under control? What happens when the administration decides it's time to move troops into Iran or Syria, or North Korea for that matter? Two of these nations are part of the "axis of evil" right?
Secondly,we all know that Israel doesn't fuck around when it comes to their security. What happens should they decide to launch a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear potential? The Iran of 2004 is a lot different than the Iraq of 1981.
IMHO things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better.
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| jb |
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throbby wrote:
.....Secondly,we all know that Israel doesn't fuck around when it comes to their security. What happens should they decide to launch a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear potential? The Iran of 2004 is a lot different than the Iraq of 1981.
IMHO things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better.
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| Joey |
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throbby wrote:
For those of you who say the draft won't happen I have a question. If the U.S. has one fourth of its military in Iraq and still can't seal the borders, thus preventing more of these Islamic extremists from crossing into Iraq, how the hell are they going to bring the current situation in Iraq under control? What happens when the administration decides it's time to move troops into Iran or Syria, or North Korea for that matter? Two of these nations are part of the "axis of evil" right?
Secondly,we all know that Israel doesn't fuck around when it comes to their security. What happens should they decide to launch a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear potential? The Iran of 2004 is a lot different than the Iraq of 1981.
IMHO things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better.
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Flea not taking your bet. I would assume that the reason he hasn't answered you is because he won't stoop to your level of retardedness. He's probably content to just let you look like an asshole all by yourself.
naw fleebit's only stooped to the level of obscene name calling like you'd expect from any 13 yr old, but wait isn't he 40 yrs old - holy shit!!! LMFAO!!! |
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| Donny Rummy |
quote:
throbby wrote:
Secondly,we all know that Israel doesn't fuck around when it comes to their security. What happens should they decide to launch a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear potential? The Iran of 2004 is a lot different than the Iraq of 1981.
IMHO things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better.
Duh.
I thought all those amerikans with pseudo religio-ethno delusions were going to move into Josh's palatial manse in Boca. Say it ain't so Joey...
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| Joey |
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Donny Rummy wrote:
Duh.
I thought all those amerikans with pseudo religio-ethno delusions were going to move into Josh's palatial manse in Boca. Say it ain't so Joey...
Some nights I still sleep on the beach ............. |
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| Donny Rummy |
quote:
Joey wrote:
Some nights I still sleep on the beach .............
Put fabric between your cheeks to avoid sand blast.
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| Joey |
quote:
Donny Rummy wrote:
Put fabric between your cheeks to avoid sand blast.
Remembering when stars were in reach .................... |
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