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| Mel Belli |
In forthcoming issue of Harp magazine: "Keith Moerer shreds The Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street in an excerpt from the book Kill Your Idols—a new anthology of classic rock albums, deconstructed and dismissed by prominent music critics." |
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| Bloozehound |
bastards! |
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| Monkey Woman |
Well, the title "Kill your idols" alone was a warning... 
Another cheap shot. Trash a classic and you'll might sell a lot of books. Scandal as a marketing tool... |
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| Nasty Habits |
I dunno, guys. Sounds good to me . . .
http://www.jimdero.com/idols.htm
"Let's rush out now to the wheel and the plow, and the sun is going down upon the sacred cow."
The birthday boy
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| Lazy Bones |
Exile was trashed (by some) when it came out and people still trash it today. Some people were just brought up wrong!
Ironic , too, as I was just listening to Wingless Angels... |
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| ChrisEditor |
Arrgh...I hate DeRegotis...I saw him at Starbucks the other day and wanted to tell him as much but he had his family with him so I didn't think it appropriate. |
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| mac_daddy |
well I can see why alot of people do'nt dig it. It is one of my all-time faves, but it ain't the most accessible piece of work the boys have done...
I am interested in the book, too. I don't know how exile fits his theme, though. To my way of thinking - the beatles, wham!, and brittany spears would serve as far better examples for what it is I think that he is trying to say...
I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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warning: OT
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Lazy Bones wrote:
Ironic , too, as I was just listening to Wingless Angels...
the newer one, or the old boot. I just adore the (newer) one Keith did - that style of drummin' is the sh*t. I happen to live in the same locale as Ras Michael, who is ome of the pre-eminent nyabinghi(sp) drummers in the world, so luckily I get to hear him on occassion...
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| Steel Wheels |
They trash Exile? Great. Their review has ZERO bearing on my life.
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| polksalad69 |
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ChrisEditor wrote:
Arrgh...I hate DeRegotis...I saw him at Starbucks the other day and wanted to tell him as much but he had his family with him so I didn't think it appropriate.
Sometimes I wonder if he believes what he writes. Just like a certain sports editor in the same paper he writes for. If anything he's entertaining. He is one ugly fat bastard tho...
I remember some Stones special Creem put out back in '81 or '82. They had album reviews for all the lps up until that point. Exile was trashed. Too young to remember Exile when it came out but have read that it was trashed elsewhere too. |
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| stonedinaustralia |
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Nasty Habits wrote:
I dunno, guys. Sounds good to me . . .
agreed nasty
i've always enjoyed seeing sacred cows get it in the neck - even those cows that i hold sacred -
it never hurts to have your preferences, predilections and prejudices brought in for questioning -ultimately your opinion may not change but at least you've had it tested and this will only strengthen your views/opinions and why you hold them
btw/ i put this post up before reading the link - it's a coincidence my points are echoed in the introduction (for what that's worth)
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| Monkey Woman |
I too read the page Nasty posted, and well, I still think it's just the self-proclaimed "new generation" being nasty (no pun intended  ) to their elders just to get some attention.
I can agree with some of the points in the foreword (the overimportance of nostalgia in music industry today, the need to shake your idols' pedestals from time to time, if only to prevent them to believe they are gods)... But from what I can see in this website, this guy DeRogatis seems to have a bigger ego than any number of "idols"! 
Pretentious references and pseudo-intellectualism, combined with a desperate attempt at self-deprecating humor (which falls short, because to do that you need to really poke fun at yourself, and big egos get in the way...) do not seem very interesting to me. I don't need him to tell me the HoF is a silly business, RollingStone magazine obsessed with hierarchies or that some artists are overrated.
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Thirty-five of the best rock writers of Generations X and Y each weigh in on an album that's universally considered "a classic"—but which they think sucks.
If they think so, good for them. But that's just one person's opinion.
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If we want to be high-minded about it, we can call it a spirited assault on a pantheon that has been foisted upon us, or a defiant rejection of the hegemonic view of rock history espoused by the critics who preceded us. If we want to use the vernacular, let’s just say it’s a loud, angry, but hopefully amusing “Fuck you.”
Well, that says it all, really!
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| corgi37 |
Every time i listen to Exile, which must be in the high hundreds by now, i get something new out of it. Right now, for the past 2 1/2 weeks, since i sat in my garage, pissed and stoned out of my gourd, and played Exile full-tilt, i cannot get "Soul Survivor" out of my head. I just...i love that song. What incredible lyrics! What a top "whiny" vocal! I mean, "its gonna be the death of meeeeee--ieee--aaaahhhgrh, its gonna be the death of me".
By all means, let some jerk wad diss Exile. But lets see some fucker also diss the sacred alternative albums that these black clothes wearing ass-lickers listen to. Let some appreciater of blues-based rock diss some current indie fave, and watch these scum suckers crawl to their keyboards defending their opinion of the reputation of a current flavour of the month. Critics? I fucking hate critics. |
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| corgi37 |
Oh, and 1 more thing about these cunts. The loudest critics of bands like the stones and i guess the who, are the same victims of jail rape that accept the free cd's, the free tickets (for them and their pimply assed boyfriends), the free grog and food, then come away and write up a shit review. My case in point??? I have mentioned this before, but i love repeating it.
A programmer of a "indie" radio station here in Melbourne gave a blistering review of the Stones 1 show here in 95. He went fucking off his tree bagging them. He mocked them. He said he walked out after 3-4 songs, and went to a pub to watch some shit indie band. Did he what?? No, he fucking didnt! I know some one who sat behind this weasal the ENTIRE show, and not only did he NOT leave, but he stood the whole time and was singing along and clapping like a kid at a Wiggles show. 9 years ago, and i remember like it was yesterday, i rang the prick to tell him i know he's a wanker. He hung up on me. I even wrote him letters, of course, i got no reply. I sent letters to our "street music" indie rags, but they never got printed. So this sister fucker took the free tickets, had glorious seats (while REAL fans sat up in the never reaches of the MCG), grooved along, probably came twice, probably bought a t-shirt and g-string souvenir, then had the fucking cheek to say "Oh, they are so old, they are lame, i was embarrassed for them, i couldnt stand it anymore i left not long after it began and went to see a real band at the Corner Hotel". Pffft! What a fart sniffer. |
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| Zack |
I too find this book intriguing. The fact is, you can trash any piece of art. The telling comment to me in the foreword is that when the compiler asked all the hatchet reviewers to give their personal top 10 albums, none of them wanted to do it. If you are going to skewer the classics, you have to be willing to stick your neck out and say I think this or that IS great. Their reluctance to do it exposes them as hacks. |
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| Honky Tonk Man |
This book sounds great to me!
Exile is a masterpiece, the guy is an evil bastard for saying it isn't, but truth is... there are so many albums out there, which are hailed as masterpieces, but in reality are utter wank.
Alex
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| Navin |
Don't really dig 'Exile' that much - but would not knock it as such, as I don't really like anything before 1975 due to the absence of Ronnie Wood...for me The Stones began in 1975...and my favourite album is 'Dirty Work'
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| Mel Belli |
Navin, I was believin' you, right up until the last line. |
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| Lazy Bones |
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mac_daddy wrote:
the newer one, or the old boot. I just adore the (newer) one Keith did - that style of drummin' is the sh*t. I happen to live in the same locale as Ras Michael, who is ome of the pre-eminent nyabinghi(sp) drummers in the world, so luckily I get to hear him on occassion...
The older one - VGP-153. Hence, the Exile content. |
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| Joey |
" In forthcoming issue of Harp magazine: "Keith Moerer shreds The Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street in an excerpt from the book Kill Your Idols—a new anthology of classic rock albums, deconstructed and dismissed by prominent music critics."
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| doo doo doo Dude |
I'm all for the concept of dissing a lot of those over-rated and outdated albums (see Sgt. Pepper), but Exile on Main St is far from overrated. It's like kryptonite, an untouchable timeless masterwork that'll outlive us all. This guy can tear at it all he wants but it's futile. You can't fuck with perfection. |
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| glencar |
Mick never liked "Exile" all that much himself. |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
There is only one music critic that you should pay attention to....yourself. |
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| Navin |
Mel Belli, 'Dirty Work' was the first album of The Stones that I ever bought and was blown away by the hard rockin' assault...and was dissapointed with the lack of the same intensity in the other albums made before and after - a few singles and albums come close - 'Voodoo Lounge' 'Undercover' "Bitch" and some more.
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| corgi37 |
Maybe Bon Jovi would be more to your liking? |
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| Nasty Habits |
quote:
Navin wrote:
My favourite album is 'Dirty Work'
You make Nasty smile.
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| jb |
I hate to see the legacy further tarnished... |
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| Nasty Habits |
No worries, Li'l JB. The mean nasty bad book with the mean things to say about Exile will be out of print in three years and Exile will still be selling its embarassingly and outrageously low number of copies per year and all will be right with the world . . .
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| jb |
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Nasty Habits wrote:
No worries, Li'l JB. The mean nasty bad book with the mean things to say about Exile will be out of print in three years and Exile will still be selling its embarassingly and outrageously low number of copies per year and all will be right with the world . . .
Funny stuff Nasty....the sales of this album , however, are stunningly low.... |
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| Joey |
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jb wrote:
Funny stuff Nasty....the sales of this album , however, are stunningly low....
Thanks Josh ! |
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| Nasty Habits |
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corgi37 wrote:
But lets see some fucker also diss the sacred alternative albums that these black clothes wearing ass-lickers listen to. Let some appreciater of blues-based rock diss some current indie fave, and watch these scum suckers crawl to their keyboards defending their opinion of the reputation of a current flavour of the month. Critics? I fucking hate critics.
Just take a look at the table of contents - a number of crappy post 90s mope rockers get their apparently due flogging as well.
You'll give yourself a rupture. Take a deep breath.
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