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always picks the groups that won't put up much of a fuss but still get her the press she longs for... ie the catholic church and her tour/show closing crucifixtion?
read somewhere she wanted to she was going to stir up the muslim faith but decided against it as it wasn't safe for her and her family... wow some deep thinking into that one.
is the material girl for real or what?
i'll never forget the mtv award show and her breakout performance with her doing "like a virgin" in the wedding dress humping the stage... now that was "cutting edge" then, some real great stuff that particular performance was.
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| pdog |
She changed a video to not offend a few years ago. She's all biz and PR. She thinks she's cutting edge, she does what I call, look like your edgey w/o really being edgey. |
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| jb |
I don't like her, but cannot deny her huge success..she is, more popular than the Stones. |
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She thinks she's cutting edge, she does what I call, look like your edgey w/o really being edgey.
"look like your edgey w/o really being edgey" - Wow! Thats a very clever and catchy name for that. Quite snappy. Well done. |
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| MrPleasant |
skank? |
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| Saint Sway |
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skank?
Yes. I prefer to refer to her as "OLD WHORE" |
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Yes. I prefer to refer to her as "OLD WHORE"
MILTF A D H A*?
*and dump her afterwards?
AMERICAN LIFE: WORST ALBUM OF THE NOUGHTIES? |
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| LadyJane |
An independent, savvy and strong willed woman.
Like her music or not, you CANNOT deny her influence over the past 20 plus years.
A master at recreating herself.
Kudos.
LJ. |
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| sirmoonie |
I have always liked Madonna, from the first time she caught my eye back in the "Borderline" and "Lucky Star" days to her new stuff. Her newest releases, Ray of Light and Music, are the best things she has ever done. And I'm saying this as a person who doesn't like mainstream pop, and doesn't for some reason relate to female artists' music/vokes. Madonna has fucking rocked for decades now. And she's sexy as all hell to boot. |
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She is a talented artist, but she is also the perfect example of an idiotic and hypocritical celebrity. She doesn't let her kids watch TV because of all the trash on it? She decries the fact that MTV has become overly sexual? Give me a break. She is responsible for more of the garbage in American pop culture than anybody else. |
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She is a savy bussiness woman no doubt. However,I have a problem with her constantly using the image of the cross as a means to simply create a reaction. It's so transparent as to why she does this kind of thing. Imagine if she were to prostrate herself in S&M gear while streched across a Islamic Cresent?! There would be a goddamned jihad on her ass before she could finish singing Like A Virgin! She would never turn a Star of David into a giant mirror ball and then simulate masterbation.
It is just that for some reason it's just fine to shit all over Christian symbolism. I'm no bible thumper,but it is hypocritical as fuck. Madonna is a media manipulator of the highest order so if she has to offend an entire relgion in order to get press more power to her,right? God knows the press would never chastize her for slamming Christianity. Let her try it with Islam and see how quick the press would slam her for being insensitive though! That is a fact and you know it.
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| sirmoonie |
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She is a savy bussiness woman no doubt. However,I have a problem with her constantly using the image of the cross as a means to simply create a reaction. It's so transparent as to why she does this kind of thing. Imagine if she were to prostrate herself in S&M gear while streched across a Islamic Cresent?! There would be a goddamned jihad on her ass before she could finish singing Like A Virgin! She would never turn a Star of David into a giant mirror ball and then simulate masterbation.
It is just that for some reason it's just fine to shit all over Christian symbolism. I'm no bible thumper,but it is hypocritical as fuck. Madonna is a media manipulator of the highest order so if she has to offend an entire relgion in order to get press more power to her,right? God knows the press would never chastize her for slamming Christianity. Let her try it with Islam and see how quick the press would slam her for being insensitive though! That is a fact and you know it.
Riffy
Riffy, I don't know that as a fact at all. The press is slamming her now - that why we are talking about it.
I agree she tries to use weird Christian symbolism, and usually does it to try to piss people off. (Who cares is my thought - she's doing it Stones style!). Anyway, she has serious sex issues as virtually all Catholic women do.
But, if Madonna slammed Islam (please god - oh please god - I want to see Maddonna slam Islam), (1) she would either get the same reaction as she is getting now, or (2) no one would care. My bet is the latter. The conspiracy issues you conjure up don't even get parlayed on Fox. |
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| Paranoid_Android |
Madonna is AWESOME...the new CD is fantastic and her career is a totally valid one...where are all her contemporaries from 20 years ago today? kylie Monouge (sp) is the closest to her world wide...and still a distant 2nd...Britany will not be around in 10 years, let alone 20...she's just a trash news item these days. |
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Madonna had "it" years ago but she's been off the radar for at least 5 or 6 years. Maybe that "Music" song was the last one that was an actual hit. She may be bigger than the Stones but that's only in the gay community. And to think about challenging Islam but then back off & do the old crucifixion thing is pretty lame. |
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Anyway, she has serious sex issues as virtually all Catholic women do.
A very astute point,Moonie!! LOL!
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But, if Madonna slammed Islam (please god - oh please god - I want to see Maddonna slam Islam), (1) she would either get the same reaction as she is getting now, or (2) no one would care. My bet is the latter. The conspiracy issues you conjure up don't even get parlayed on Fox.
On this I seriously disagree with you. Were she to slam Islam(and like you I would love to see it),she would surely suffer the same fate as those who have done so before. Just ask Saldam Rushdie,Theo Van Gough,or any number of Danish cartoonists how easily Islam accepts the ridicule of their barbaric death cult!
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An independent, savvy and strong willed woman.
Like her music or not, you CANNOT deny her influence over the past 20 plus years.
A master at recreating herself.
Kudos.
LJ.
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A very astute point,Moonie!! LOL!
On this I seriously disagree with you. Were she to slam Islam(and like you I would love to see it),she would surely suffer the same fate as those who have done so before. Just ask Saldam Rushdie,Theo Van Gough,or any number of Danish cartoonists how easily Islam accepts the ridicule of their barbaric death cult!
Riffy
No. Wrong. Double snow shake skunk wrong. What I reasonably and understandably thought your point was, especially in light of what I understand your beliefs to be, are that she gets off lightly for making whatever the hell statements she is makking about Christianity, and hypothetically (very hypothetically) would get off free in the media if she dinged Islam.
I disagree with that principle completely, but your your reply was to say that her life would be like that of Van Gogh. I agree that is likely, but it has nothing to do with the premise I understood you to be stating. |
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Madonna????
Never particularly cared for her or her music which has little, if anything, in common with STONES type music.
From my point of view, she's all image with not much actual substance behind it (imo). She's great at generating tons of press and publicity which is the real secret behind her success.
Is she influential??? Absolutely. Take a look at the Top 200 albums and many of the artist on it owe a huge debt to her (her motto- it's all about image & press- talent is a secondary consideration).
As for that image that seems to fascinate so many people, let me be diplomatic and just say it's not my cup of tea.
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| chevysales |
personally i never found her to be sexy in any way... but again that humping of the stage during mtv awards put her on the map. very cool to watch... this was early 80's... but i distinctly remember her being talked about for quite sometime after, again putting her on the map.
she has since done the same type of media thing getting her the exposure needed at times for self promotion... wether it be via her sexuality (read that black and white photo book) denis rodman, warren, sean, etc.
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No. Wrong. Double snow shake skunk wrong. What I reasonably and understandably thought your point was, especially in light of what I understand your beliefs to be, are that she gets off lightly for making whatever the hell statements she is makking about Christianity, and hypothetically (very hypothetically) would get off free in the media if she dinged Islam.
An easy misundermoofing I feel Moonie! I have no doubt that the media would be all over her if she were to portray Islam as anything but the "religion of Peace" that I keep hearing about.
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She was good YEARS ago at media manip, but c'mon the liberal media has so fucking turned against her - all she has to do is make a glib, one sentence off the cuff statement like she's a veggie or she doesn't like George Walker Bush III, and the next thing you know she is renouncing fucking god and America, etc. She can't manipulate the media anymore than Splash Henry can these days. Madonna has talent and it continues to sell, despite her fucks ups (see movies, politics, etc.) |
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Riffhard wrote:
She is a savy bussiness woman no doubt. However,I have a problem with her constantly using the image of the cross as a means to simply create a reaction. It's so transparent as to why she does this kind of thing. Imagine if she were to prostrate herself in S&M gear while streched across a Islamic Cresent?! There would be a goddamned jihad on her ass before she could finish singing Like A Virgin! She would never turn a Star of David into a giant mirror ball and then simulate masterbation.
It is just that for some reason it's just fine to shit all over Christian symbolism. I'm no bible thumper,but it is hypocritical as fuck. Madonna is a media manipulator of the highest order so if she has to offend an entire relgion in order to get press more power to her,right? God knows the press would never chastize her for slamming Christianity. Let her try it with Islam and see how quick the press would slam her for being insensitive though! That is a fact and you know it.
Riffy
She is Susan Cicconne, a Catholic, not a jew or muslim. |
