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The album had sold well but not outstandingly until lennon was shot
Gazza ........................................
How did you find out the next morning about Lennon's murder ?
Howard Cosell broke the news over here in the states minutes after it happened ( a hospital staff member leaked the news to ABC ).
J.
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
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Gazza wrote:
The album had sold well but not outstandingly until lennon was shot
It was OK. Mediocre. Actually he didn't do that many post-Beatles albums...what 2-3? I think he might have evolved back into real Rock n Roll. 1980 was a long time ago...I hadn't even turned 30 in those days and now I'm an old man. Anyway it's just hard to put those things into a real context after you know the history. |
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Joey wrote:
Gazza ........................................
How did you find out the next morning about Lennon's murder ?
Howard Cosell broke the news over here in the states minutes after it happened ( a hospital staff member leaked the news to ABC ).
J.
I've seen that clip a few times. It's still pretty freaky.
Britain didnt have 24 hour television or radio in 1980 and even Breakfast Television didnt start until about 1983, so the first most people would have known about it would have been when the radio stations went on air which was usually around 5 am or so.
I remember getting up for school (I was 17) and was on my way down the stairs for my breakfast at 8 am when my mum came rushing into the hallway to tell me that they'd announced on the radio news that John Lennon had been shot dead.
Even 25 years on, there's very little about that day I don't remember in vivid detail. |
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| Gazza |
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
It was OK. Mediocre. Actually he didn't do that many post-Beatles albums...what 2-3? I think he might have evolved back into real Rock n Roll. 1980 was a long time ago...I hadn't even turned 30 in those days and now I'm an old man. Anyway it's just hard to put those things into a real context after you know the history.
He did a few up to 1975 and then quit for 5 years to bring up Sean while Yoko made him very rich! Of course, he issued his first solo work in 1968 before the Beatles split - the freaky avant garde shit with Yoko (Two Virgins and Life with the Lions) and then:
Live peace in Toronto (1969)
John lennon/Plastic Ono Band (1970)
Imagine (1971)
Sometime in New York City (1972) (a double)
Mindgames (1973)
Walls and Bridges (1974)
Rock 'n' Roll (1975)
there was a great singles compilation called "Shaved Fish" from 1975 or so which included all the non-album singles from the early 70's like Power to the people, Instant Karma etc as well as the ones from his albums
I liked Rock n Roll a lot (which was all covers), but aside from that I never cared for much of what he did after 1971, although Mindgames and Walls & bridges have some great singles from them.
Thats why I find it a bit strange when people rave about his solo work as if his post-Beatles career was wonderful. he certainly hit a hot streak from 1969 to 1971 but the last few years of his life were a waste IMO |
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| corgi37 |
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| glencar |
Didn't one of those albums contain a whole side of Yoko doing primal scream therapy or is that just another myth? |
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glencar wrote:
Didn't one of those albums contain a whole side of Yoko doing primal scream therapy or is that just another myth?
Perhaps you mean the 'Live Jam' section (a bonus disc) of Sometime In NYC.
The A side contains two tracks, being "Don't Worry, Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking for Her Hand in the Snow)" the prominent. It's sixteen minutes long, and contains a lot of Yoko-howling. |
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| glencar |
That's some bonus! |
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| IanBillen |
Well, I am surely no big Lennon fan. Nor have I ever really been so interested in his former bandmates for that matter but I do have a question concerening this post's remarks:
Why is everyone so angry? Because:
A. He was a prick...or
B. Because he was a prick yet everyone says he was Mr. Love
and Peace?
Brian Jones was a total fucking prick in every sense of the word yet nobody seems so angered by that at all.
Just a thought-
Ian
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| paragoensia |
You're right about Brian, He was a complete bastard! But hey, who cares? Lennon was probably an arse too But so is the prime-minister of holland and I ain't allowed to shoot him. Personally I think lennon said some sensible things. The man had a different vision on life.
'bout the bastard that shot him...................
an eye for an eye.... |
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[quote]paragoensia wrote:
You're right about Brian, He was a complete bastard! But hey, who cares? Lennon was probably an arse too But so is the prime-minister of holland and I ain't allowed to shoot him. Personally I think lennon said some sensible things. The man had a different vision on life.
'bout the bastard that shot him...................
an eye for an eye....
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No. Certainly don't get me wrong here. The person who shot Lennon had absolutely no right to do that and I wouldn't wish anything like that on my worst enemy in the world right now(do I have any enemies currently?, hmmm?).
All I am saying is I don't know why alot of folks get so fired up about Lennon being a Prick.
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As I have already stated, these people are more famous dead than alive.
Jagger Lips. I cant stand people like you who feel pity for Brian Jones. Yes I agree that his death was tragic and that he was too you to die. However, you cant justify it by saying "Ahh, the poor man, he had so much going on in his life". Who the fuck doesnt have a lot going on in their life?
It doesnt mean that we all turn to hardcore drugs and intoxicate ourselves to the point of plain insanity. He was a weak man made even weaker by drugs and I have no sympathy for him. Being as drugged up as he was all the time was inexcusable and I think its wrong that people put some of the blame on Mick and Keith. They have nothing to feel guilty about over Brian Jones. They were busy building the greatest band in the world when he decided to MURDER HIMSELF.
As for John Lennon. Well thats a slightly different matter. Although he was a real arsehole. His life was taken away from him by another and that is wrong. But as for the release of Chapman. Well I dont see why they dont let him out. Bit of plastic surgery, and identity change and a move to somewhere abroad.
Life moves on. Its just a shame that some people are content living in the shadow of those who have moved on further than us. |
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| Gazza |
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IanBillen wrote:
A. He was a prick...or
B. Because he was a prick yet everyone says he was Mr. Love
and Peace?
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Voodoo Scrounge wrote:
As I have already stated, these people are more famous dead than alive.
Jagger Lips. I cant stand people like you who feel pity for Brian Jones. Yes I agree that his death was tragic and that he was too you to die. However, you cant justify it by saying "Ahh, the poor man, he had so much going on in his life". Who the fuck doesnt have a lot going on in their life?
It doesnt mean that we all turn to hardcore drugs and intoxicate ourselves to the point of plain insanity. He was a weak man made even weaker by drugs and I have no sympathy for him. Being as drugged up as he was all the time was inexcusable and I think its wrong that people put some of the blame on Mick and Keith. They have nothing to feel guilty about over Brian Jones. They were busy building the greatest band in the world when he decided to MURDER HIMSELF.
As for John Lennon. Well thats a slightly different matter. Although he was a real arsehole. His life was taken away from him by another and that is wrong. But as for the release of Chapman. Well I dont see why they dont let him out. Bit of plastic surgery, and identity change and a move to somewhere abroad.
Life moves on. Its just a shame that some people are content living in the shadow of those who have moved on further than us.
Voodoo I am sorry that you have taken offence to what I said.
I do feel pity for Brian Jones, he couldn't control the drugs, there are people who can take it and there are people who clearly can't Brian fell into the clearly can't category. Drugs ruin peoples lives and the lives around the person who uses them. Mick Jagger said 'We do not propogate the use of drugs' and that's true the Stones never said yes go on kids try drugs etc etc, sorry going off on a tangent!
Brian Jones in my eyes was a poor tortured little soul, he did say he wouldn't see 30 and he was right. Somehow I don't think he wanted to have a long life.
I'm not blaming Mick and Keith for what Brian did to himself, Brian was extremely jealous of what Mick and Keith were doing, there was never going to be Mick, Keith and Brian. I never thought Brian was good for the Stones anyway. I just wish that Ronnie Wood was in on it from the start to be honest, mind you maybe It's Ony Rock and Roll, Dance Part One and Hey Negrita and the like would never have been made if that were the case.
I do still feel pity for Brian though Voodoo, forgive me?
John Lennon is a different matter entirely yes because his life was cut short not by anything he did.
I blame Yoko for John going all weird, never thought that John could be dominated over by anyone and quite clearly that did happen. He changed for the worst when he met Yoko, before her John was great, Yoko trapped him! |
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I blame Yoko for John going all weird, never thought that John could be dominated over by anyone and quite clearly that did happen. He changed for the worst when he met Yoko, before her John was great, Yoko trapped him!
PLAYBOY: But what about the charge that John Lennon is under Yoko's spell, under her control?
LENNON: Well that's rubbish, you know. Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who controls me is me, and that's just barely possible.
PLAYBOY: Still, many people believe it.
LENNON: Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because -- f** you, brother and sister -- you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and the baby! |
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| glencar |
Well, since the wool WAS pulled over his eyes, he couldn't SEE the wool! |
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PLAYBOY: But what about the charge that John Lennon is under Yoko's spell, under her control?
LENNON: Well that's rubbish, you know. Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who controls me is me, and that's just barely possible.
PLAYBOY: Still, many people believe it.
LENNON: Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because -- f** you, brother and sister -- you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and the baby!
Well that's me told then isn't it?
Can't counter that, just out of respect for the dead.
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glencar wrote:
Well, since the wool WAS pulled over his eyes, he couldn't SEE the wool!
LOL!
JaggerLips, I didn't mean to use John's words as a direct response to you. I'm sorry if you thought otherwise. |
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MrPleasant wrote:
LOL!
JaggerLips, I didn't mean to use John's words as a direct response to you. I'm sorry if you thought otherwise.
LOL
Ok still think that a lot of what John was was sapped away by Yoko!
Think Ringo and George were the only sane ones after the Beatles split up!
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| corgi37 |
I actually like Yoko.
She fucked up the Beatles!
Or, at least, helped.
With Lennon, i go for option "B" too.
With Brian, he just lost the plot. Too weak to take the pressure. He was a shocking bastard too with the ladies and illigitimate kids, but those were the times i guess.
Spanish Tony's book makes him out like a saint, and make Keith & Mick like total heartless bastards. Which, they may very well have been, but come on, the guy wasnt a baby.
And they never forgave him from getting more money than they did in the beginning. |
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| glencar |
It's amazing the things some people get stuck on. |
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