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| IanBillen |
I was looking at another board and I seen the same exact thing I see here alot. Alot of Don Was bashing.
I don't really see why. Well, actually, I don't see why at all??? He has took The Stones music up a level since Dirty Work and Steel Wheels and has provided excellent sounding recordings for them.
I don't owe Don Was anything and I am no spokesperson for him...but come on now:
You know, it isn't all Don Was. Mick, Keith, Charlie (and who knows maybe even Ronnie)all pretty much tell him what type of album they want to make before they even start. They actually do talk about it and come up with a direction. All he really does is try and provide them with what they want. And he has certainly done that. Although Mick didn't totally approve of all of Voodoo Lounge in terms of song direction but he does approve of it's sound and very much wanted that sound for Voodoo as well as what B2B sounds like.
Don Was is top-notch. He is an excellent producer and if The Rolling Stones were not 110% satisfied with him they surely would not be using him once again for their FIFTH (count em, 5: Voodoo, Stripped, B2B, Tracks on 40 Licks, and now) studio jaunt. The Stones are certainly satisfied with what he has done so I think this, in itself, points to the fact that he is only doing, for the most part, what they want in an album or recording. If you think that their recent releases have been lacking (which I do not)maybe you should look to the band itself and not Don Was.
Ian
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| Gazza |
I think its the same mentality as a lot of the Leavell-bashing
People are reluctant to blame the band for whatever shortcomings they have (as it makes THEM look bad for adoring them at all costs) so its easy to bitch about a hired hand as if HE is the source of their problems.
The bottom line is that these people are employed by the Stones and their services have been requested for several years now. Whatever perceived malaise there may be is down to the band's judgement. |
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| Bloozehound |
all this hoopla surrounding the new album and I've noticed that I really don't give a crap, sure I'll take it, but I could care less who produces it or if it's even any good anymore
I'm not building my anticipation up so much that it'll be a major blow if it sucks the donkey
sometimes this is the best way to face things, even if it turns out to be a chock full o' flavor, cocaine eyed, redheaded stepchild asswhoopping can o' goodness if your anticipation and expectations are too high then it could severaly fuck with your enjoyment and appreciation of it
call me nasty, call me dirty, call me mr. nonchallently |
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| Zack |
I for one would be disappointed if the album, er, sucked the donkey.
For what its worth, Don Was also pulled an excellent album out of Brian Wilson in 1994. |
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| IanBillen |
[quote]Zack wrote:
I for one would be disappointed if the album, er, sucked the donkey.
For what its worth, Don Was also pulled an excellent album out of Brian Wilson in 1994.
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I certainly, as maybe you figured would be very dissapointed.
However I also realize it would do nothing to tarnish the earlier decades the Stones gave the music world.
And yes, Don Was is a total world class producer who:
Knows alot about music himself since he was in a band himself for many years...(for what that band was worth).
He grew up in Detroit Michigan listening and playing with alot of talent around that area so thge guy does know alot about music and how to play it. As for his production, I think it is excellent. His works seem to "stick to your ribs" so to speak where other producers such as maybe Rick Rubin can put together a hit but it seems to really lack the staying power and substance as Was's productions.
Iggy Pop:Avenue B and Brick by Brick are two more excellent works. Avenue B more so.
Bonnie Raitt:Nick of Time is a Grammy material album (even though the Grammy's are sometimes irrelevant to quality music but it gotta mean somethin)
The Black Crowes: Lions CD is by far the best they could of ever sounded. I was amazed at his contribution to their Lions recording. It was simply a step above all their other works sound wise.
The guy is good. There is no doubt. Just ask the slew of world class musicians he has worked with and produced.
Ian
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| Poplar |
quote:
Bloozehound wrote:
chock full o' flavor, cocaine eyed, redheaded stepchild asswhoopping can o' goodness
...is exactly what we're gonna get.
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| exile |
I like Don Was. I think he is good
my only criticism or VL and B2B would be that they were too diverse
trying too many things/styles on one album
worked on 'some girls' not on those
Keith STOP singing reggae.....!!! Mick no harpsichords!!
Oh and B2B had a shit album cover...that's all. 
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| justforyou |
Don Was is boring, none of the albums he has produced are amongst my favourites, sure maybe he's not to blame for the musicians performances, but does he have the guts and power to tell Keith or Mick to redo or drop some crap part ? Or is he more of a sound engineer ?
I'd like to see a hard hitting album produced by Martin Birch! |
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| gimmekeef |
You cant suddenly make bland songs sound like classic Stones.Was is good at what he does but writing and playing the music is not his function.As far as producers...what about Steve Lillywhite? |
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| wgwalsh |
I enjoyed the quality and quantity of the VL boot series.
Can only hope that the current project yields those types of results. |
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| IanBillen |
[quote]justforyou wrote:
Don Was is boring, none of the albums he has produced are amongst my favourites, sure maybe he's not to blame for the musicians performances, but does he have the guts and power to tell Keith or Mick to redo or drop some crap part ? Or is he more of a sound engineer ?
I'd like to see a hard hitting album produced by Martin Birch!
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I don't know how involved he is in the tell them to do this, or tell them to do that but I do know he insisted Mick write lyrics first for Voodoo then build the songs around the lyrics.
I think on Bridges he let them have fun on their "let's make a different album this time" gig and sometimes had to step down and let the other producers do their thing.
On Don't Stop and those others he seemed to just give them what they wanted....some moderate to decent poppy throw in's on a greatest hits double set.
This time....we will see but I do know one thing, I trust his better judgement and I would rather see him on this thing than anyone eles.
Ian
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| IanBillen |
[quote]Gazza wrote:
I think its the same mentality as a lot of the Leavell-bashing
People are reluctant to blame the band for whatever shortcomings they have (as it makes THEM look bad for adoring them at all costs) so its easy to bitch about a hired hand as if HE is the source of their problems.
The bottom line is that these people are employed by the Stones and their services have been requested for several years now. Whatever perceived malaise there may be is down to the band's judgement.
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Nicely said,
Ian |
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| egon |
no worries, i heard from a source close to the group
that this next album is going to kick ass. |
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| ResidentMule |
quote:
egon wrote:
no worries, i heard from a source close to the group
that this next album is going to kick ass.
keith?
I like Don Was' work with the Stones OK. a couple junk tracks on the albums, but I like VL & B2B. I think I like SW just a little bit better though |
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| egon |
yes i think keith.....,
or it might have been me. |
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| Saint Sway |
as far as a Producer, Don Was is boring and safe
thats not what the Stones need
they need someone who is going to push them. Was is clearly a yes man.
I guess the only reason they keep him around because he always has a bountiful supply of Viagra on him |
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| ResidentMule |
maybe as a producer he's boring and safe, but I'd rather leave it to the band to take any risks. I don't want somebody not in the band having more influence over their sound than the Stones themselves. if the new record sucks, I gonna blame the Stones, not Don Was. |
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| voodoopug |
quote:
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maybe as a producer he's boring and safe, but I'd rather leave it to the band to take any risks. I don't want somebody not in the band having more influence over their sound than the Stones themselves. if the new record sucks, I gonna blame the Stones, not Don Was.
i never forgave him for recording "Walk The Dinosaur" |
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| Jair |
I'd vote for Rick Rubin, if they asked me.
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| voodoopug |
quote:
Jair wrote:
I'd vote for Rick Rubin, if they asked me.
Once proud Don Acts so Humble
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| Saint Sway |
quote:
Jair wrote:
I'd vote for Rick Rubin, if they asked me.
I'd second your vote, if they gave a shit what I thought.
because Rubin did the impossible - he was able to get Jagger to throw down some good rock and country songs on Wandering Spirit. Thats no easy task, folks. Just look at the crap that Jagger put out on his other solo coasters.
Rubin is the only producer that has the balls to stand up to Jagger and get him to put down the music the fans want. And not the contemporary crap that Jagger THINKS he needs to put out to sound fresh.
Rubin also got Jagger into the studio to record an album of BLUES COVERS with the Red Devils!!!!!! Jagger eventually nixed the idea of releasing the record. But the fact that Rubin was able to get him into the studio to try it makes the guy the right man for the job in my book. |
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| Soldatti |
Don Was is ok, he knows the Stones and he did a good job with Voodoo Lounge. |
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| Mel Belli |
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...Rubin did the impossible - he was able to get Jagger to throw down some good rock and country songs on Wandering Spirit. Thats no easy task, folks. Just look at the crap that Jagger put out on his other solo coasters.
Rubin is the only producer that has the balls to stand up to Jagger and get him to put down the music the fans want. And not the contemporary crap that Jagger THINKS he needs to put out to sound fresh.
Rubin also got Jagger into the studio to record an album of BLUES COVERS with the Red Devils!!!!!! Jagger eventually nixed the idea of releasing the record. But the fact that Rubin was able to get him into the studio to try it makes the guy the right man for the job in my book.
Was tried pushing the band into trying a rawer, retro sound on VL and he produced the "Stonesiest" tracks on B2B. ("How Can I Stop" is one of the best-engineered Stones song ever, in addition to being a great song in itself.)
Ultimately the idea of getting someone like Rubin or Ethan Johns or whoever to produce the Stones stems from the same rank nostalgia as hoping that Ian McLagan is rehired or the horn section is fired.
Nothing -- not baackup personnel, not a new producer -- will bring back 1972 or 1978. The Stones are simply not those guys anymore.
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| texile |
JAIR, JUSTFORYOU AND SAINTSWAY - VOICES OF WISDOM
rubin has been my choice for years;
gazza, i agree that it all comes down to the stones and we shouldn't blame don was-NOT for being a kiss-ass-lame-ass-bland-vanilla-generic and forget what else..........
yes, the stones should be blamed for being too lazy and unproductive.
somebody needs to kick thier ass and challenge them.
remember kieth putting chuck berry in line in "all hail rock and roll"?
well, the stones have reached that level of complacency.
i was hoping was not was would be doing a reunion tour, tying don up........ |
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