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I agree with Ian "I am sure the Stones still take their music very seriously and put alot of effort into it and want to make as good as album as they can. What more do you want from them? "
Im not disagreeing with you Gaz old buddy!
I guess we are ALL a little bummed about how the music industry has gone,
but Mick and keith would be the first to admit that a shit album will reflect badly on them and Im sure they want to bring out as good album as they can.
I personally believe that B2B was just a combined Mick and keith Solo effeort. they were perhaps going through another 'rough patch' and had little intrest in working together again.
(maybe this rough patch was not as publicised as the one in the 80's)
Listening to the album B2B in my mind proves this. Some SO Mick solo effort songs and Some absolute keith songs on there.
I just hope that they are over this and can start to work together again and some of that magic happens. I think Voodoo Lounge was the last album to show some of this Mick Keith magic..maybe not all the way through but its there.
(Love is Strong)
anyway 50 Cent and Emeniem can fuck right off in my books thats not music that just an exercise in successful marketing to people with musical tastes up their assholes. :-) |
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| Joey |
Pressure ?!?!
PRESSURE ?!?!?!
Hell ................I just farted :
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| IanBillen |
Gazza wrote:
"I feel the same way as I've done for several years and it still didnt stop me travelling 20,000 miles to see the band in a one month period just 18 months ago."
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I read your response and I see your many points. And you're right. The Stones ticket sales at times have been outrageous.
I realize you've spent loads on them. Yikes. The reason you do that is because if you want to see them I guess you have to anymore. And if I may, what do you do? Are you currently employed? Just curious is all.
On another note I am still optomistic about this album. Not because they are our favorite band of all time but because I truly feel they still have the ability to write great stuff. And this time they have had PLENTY (and then some) time to do it. I also think they may of put some soul back into it that lacked on Bridges. You seem a little cynical. Why? Don't you think they got it in them anymore?
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quote:
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I realize you've spent loads on them. Yikes. The reason you do that is because if you want to see them I guess you have to anymore. And if I may, what do you do? Are you currently employed? Just curious is all.
I'm a porn star. However as I live at the North Pole (how apt) there isnt much work of late.
Yes, I'm a civil servant. Nothing special or dramatic, unfortunately!
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On another note I am still optomistic about this album. Not because they are our favorite band of all time but because I truly feel they still have the ability to write great stuff. And this time they have had PLENTY (and then some) time to do it. I also think they may of put some soul back into it that lacked on Bridges. You seem a little cynical. Why? Don't you think they got it in them anymore?
part of me is optimistic because...like yourself, I'd like to think they've accrued enough good songs to make a top notch record. Plus, I thought "Bridges" was a really good record, even though the ingredients were there (different producers, band squabbles, separate songwriting) to make it otherwise.
My main doubt concerns Keith. Mick has stayed active as a writer. Keith hasnt. His only released song in the last 8 years of any kind was "Losing My Touch", which was uninspiring to say the least and doesnt augur well for his songwriting 'chops'. His lack of activity and creativity of any kind (recording or performing) on Stones "down time" suggests to me that some kind of 'spark' has been missing for some years. I hope I'm proved wrong. |
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[quote]Gazza wrote:
I'm a porn star. However as I live at the North Pole (how apt) there isnt much work of late.
Yes, I'm a civil servant. Nothing special or dramatic, unfortunately!
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I applied for a few Governmental jobs myself in the past.
They are good positions. Cheers.
And as for the pornography position you mentioned.
.....I don't know, a reverse cowgirl always
keeps me going.....
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| glencar |
IanBillen, try the Post Office; they hire anybody! |
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| IanBillen |
[quote]glencar wrote:
IanBillen, try the Post Office; they hire anybody!
Glencar,
I am already employed Thank you.
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| Bitch |
I've heard the new RS CD will solidify the STONES long career, as they have had several years to work on the new songs. They certainly have had time to perfect them, and we will NOT be disapointed with the new material. Let's give it a listen before we start to criticize and call them has-beens. I'm sure the RS feel the pressure to exceed all expectations, and will put out GREAT MUSIC! And I really don't think that age matters when it comes to songwriting. The ROLLING STONES are great at any age. |
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| Keefj200 |
Asking for the impact of a Sticky Fingers or Let It Bleed is certainly out of the question, but a quality album with a hit single sure would help. I'm not one of those who says, "More tickets for me." I'm embarrassed by the empty seats at the stadiums. |
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| glencar |
Hit singles? Do they really exist any more? |
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| Soldatti |
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I'm embarrassed by the empty seats at the stadiums.
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| exile |
Id be happy with another Voodoo Lounge (strong single, I always loved Love Is Strong, and one or two crappy ones...face it there is always going to be one or two)
I WOULD NOT be happy with another B2B
that would piss me off....Im sure it wouldnt really but you know what I mean. :-) |
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| texile |
gazza, the only thing i disagree with is freddy and the dreamers - that was NOT crap!
everything else is you wrote is the truth and i don't care if that makes me a hard-ass or not.......
the stones haven't mattered since some girls, tattoo you was good and successful but not defining culturally...
ian - it's good that you have such loyalty, but expecting and accepting mediocrity just ALLOWS them to coast on crap.
there are people out there, veteran artists, who are making statements - springsteen has evolved, grown as an artist becaue he is still connected to the real world..........
the stones are so far removed from everything that when they played that benefit for the nyc firemen - the only solemn thing they could drag out was salt of the earth........great song but, 100 years ago - mick stopped writing about the world a long time ago - maybe all that excess has serilized his social conscience.
i'll never forget how exited i was the first time i heard undercover of the night on a kitchen radio - it meant something in the real world..........
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[quote]texile wrote:
gazza, the only thing i disagree with is freddy and the dreamers - that was NOT crap!
everything else is you wrote is the truth and i don't care if that makes me a hard-ass or not.......
the stones haven't mattered since some girls, tattoo you was good and successful but not defining culturally...
ian - it's good that you have such loyalty, but expecting and accepting mediocrity just ALLOWS them to coast on crap.
there are people out there, veteran artists, who are making statements - springsteen has evolved, grown as an artist becaue he is still connected to the real world..........
the stones are so far removed from everything that when they played that benefit for the nyc firemen - the only solemn thing they could drag out was salt of the earth........great song but, 100 years ago - mick stopped writing about the world a long time ago - maybe all that excess has serilized his social conscience.
i'll never forget how exited i was the first time i heard undercover of the night on a kitchen radio - it meant something in the real world..........
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There is a time and place for political influence in song writing. I just don't want to hear it ALL the time or more than not in a band. The Stones have very rarely touched on politics and political affairs since Undercover as you stated but they have on a few occasions I think you possibly over looked:
The Stones wrote about politics and The War in the Gulf on their single Highwire.
On Dirty Work they wrote and sang about world affairs and Nuclear War in Back To Zero.
I am certainly glad they took this subtle root in their recent years instead of going head first like U2 or Rage against the Machine into mixing politics with Rock N Roll constantly.
At a time it was acceptable and people listened when you did that. I think in today's age things are different and The Stones realize that.
Ian
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| corgi37 |
Rock is long dead. It's all rap crap and so-called "RnB". Even the mighty U2 topped the charts for like 2 weeks, and was soon replaced by the next rapper who outsold them by the bucket load. The brief resurgance in back to basics rock is already snuffed out. All the leading exponents like Hives, Vines, White Stripes and....(damn!!! I cant remember this other bands name, but Drew Barrymore was fucking the drummer, Fabrizio) - anyway, all their recent cd's sold 1/2 of what their previous ones did.
The Vines imploded and will never make another record. The White Stripes currrent release came amid much fanfare, and died a violently quick death. I must add, i havent even seen a clip or single!!
Whiteys like me can only look to nostalgia now. Most kids would rather play a turntable than a guitar. Sure, sure, some of you will give me examples otherwise, but for every pimply teen who digs the classics and wants a Gibson 335, i can point out 200 other kids who wanna rock the mic's.
Rock will go the way of Swing and barber-shop. Sooner than i thought, too.
Pearl Jam sell a 10th of what they used to.
Despite a t.v. show and lots of publicity, how many records does Ozzy Ozbourne actually sell? In fact, when was his last record? Shit, i dont know! hahahaha.
Velvet Revolver? Didnt even dint the charts here.
Oasis are the freak, yet havent even toured the U.S. succesfully or had major chart success. Minor success, maybe acceptable success, but certainly nothing to crow over.
Jet? There record was nearly 2 years ago. What next? More of the same? Betcha its sells 1/2 of what Get Born did.
I know i live a million miles away from the action, but i tell ya's, i have seen NOT ONE pic of the current U2 tour in our papers. Not even a review. Usually, we get some info on a major artists debut show overseas. I mean, every Stones tour is always featured here. The upcoming press conference will be featured in our papers and news services. The opening STones show will be featured on the news, no doubt, just after the weather. But, nothing from U2. Not a thing. Their songs get played, the clips get played, but the cd came and went pretty quickly. Mind you, if they tour here, it will be big.
We are the last lovers of a dying monster. So many kids and young people in their 20's dont even like music anymore. They'd rather play PS2 or Xbox, than listen to a cd and read the lyrics and study the infinite detail of the cover (man, i miss vinyl!).
Its all over bar the shouting, and when the Stones go, that's 100% it. Rock MAY make brief returns, just like the theme from MASH seems to do on the Euro charts, or that song in the U.K. that was recently top of the charts, you know, that novelty song sung by some old crooner from 73. Rock will be a novelty in 5 years.
It is dead and fucking buried.
No!! I correct myself. Rock is in a coma, and we are all fighting over its last rites. Let it sputter on? Or, put it out of its misery.
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| IanBillen |
Corgi Wrote:
"Rock will be a novelty in 5 years.
It is dead and fucking buried.
No!! I correct myself. Rock is in a coma, and we are all fighting over its last rites. Let it sputter on? Or, put it out of its misery."
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Corgi I see your post and I understand you have alot of good points. However Rock and Roll will continue. It is a mainstay just as Country. Sure it has been on the down-low for the past 7 or 8 years but it always comes back. In one way or another. It has been resurfacing to the top for about almost 50 years.
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| texile |
true corgi, point taken - the problem is the stones have no social relevance whatsoever at ALL anymore. you alluded to highwire, what about rock in a hard place?.........good songs, though not as good as undercover.....these songs give the stones an edge that the old stuff did because jagger IS an intelligent and peceptive guy, it doesn't have to be political - just real, and that ain't been happening for a long time. |
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| texile |
sorry ian - i mean IAN! |
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| corgi37 |
Er, i didnt allude to Highwire. I love that song. |
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The White Stripes currrent release came amid much fanfare, and died a violently quick death. I must add, i havent even seen a clip or single!!
There is a good reason why you haven't heard much from the White Stripes current release. It hasn't been released yet!! It doesn't come out until June 10th!!!!
What acts are currently selling out arenas across the country (USA)??? Rap or rock???
Sure, rock doesn't sell records like it used to but look whose number one on the Billboard charts right now. Would you be surprised if I said Bruce Springsteen??? Also, most people in the music business think the White Stripes newest, when released in June, is poised to sell lots of records. The most anticipated release of the year by people in the music biz (besides the Stones of course) is not a rap record- it's Coldplay's newest also scheduled for June. So no, rock isn't dead; it just doesn't dominate the industry like it once did but there are some interesting new acts out there (Kings of Leon for instance).
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