||[quote]Saint Sway wrote:
I'm sure Keith was trying to come off as sounding cool and holier than thou, but he actually just comes off sounding like any other cranky old man thats afraid of learning any kind of new technology
that's exactly what keith is...
about EVERYTHING, unfortunately.
Saint Sway wrote:
my computers, laptops, cell phones, blackberries etc are the essential tools I use for work in order to make a decent enough living and be able to purchase the $1500 "Hot Seat" packages that afford Keith Richards the luxury to have a 300 person staff of lackies to cover his ass from A to Z, so that Keith never has to pick up a cell phone call or spend the day in front of computer.
i hadn't read that post before i posted..
In an interview to commemorate 40 years of Rolling Stone magazine, the rocker also divulged that he has developed an improbable infatuation for Mozart.
"I really wasn't much of a fan when growing up. It was just over my head. But I play him every day now. I'm a bit of a late bloomer,
Keith likes Mozart? now that is different.
|Ten Thousand Motels
||Actually if one likes piano, Mozart is good shit. It's not at all like other "classical" music. It was way ahead of it's time in a very real way. He's kinda the forerunner of Boogie Woogie and ragtime.
|Honky Tonk Man
||I don't hate mobiles, but it’s as if some people have a disease when it comes to texting. I'll send the odd text to make someone aware of something important, but no way do I use it as an alternative t verbally communicating as unfortunately, so many do.
Honky Tonk Man wrote:
but no way do I use it as an alternative t verbally communicating as unfortunately, so many do.
I use email as alternative means of communication with nutbags. I go out of my way to avoid talking with my nutbag supervisor, so I email her. My doc. even wrote a letter of support.
||Keith may have Electronic Sensitivities!
I think there may be something to this:
The woman who needs a veil of protection from modern life
By VICTORIA MOORE - More by this author » Last updated at 00:38am on 27th April 2007
Veiled: Sarah Dacre keeps the 21st century at bay
No, she's NOT a beekeeper. This woman believes that her bizarre headgear can save her from the dangerous electrosmog all around us. Can she possibly be right?
Before knocking on Sarah Dacre's door, I take the precaution of checking my mobile phone. It's switched off, as she has requested.
"Last time someone came to visit," she warns, "I started feeling awfully nauseous. It turned out he had a picture phone with him and had left it switched on. A picture phone!"
She pauses, looking genuinely horrified. Apparently, this type of mobile automatically sends signals to a local base station every nine minutes - "No wonder I felt so sick."
We sit down in the living-room of the airy, north London house that, for the past two years, has been Sarah's refuge from modern life. Save for the absence of a television, it looks ordinary enough.
But beneath the coats of magnolia paint, she points out, the walls are lined with a special paper that contains a layer of tin-foil; and upstairs, the windows are hung with a fine, silvery gauze.
These aren't idiosyncratic decorating decisions, though. All these silvery layers are here for a purpose: to keep the 21st century at bay.
Sarah, 51, is one of a growing band of people who claim to be experiencing extreme - and incapacitating - sensitivity to electrical appliances, as well as to certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves.
"Wi-Fi, or wireless broadband networks, seem to be the worst thing," she says.
"Closely followed by mobile phones - particularly if they're being used in an enclosed space - the base stations of cordless telephones and mobile phone masts.
"I have to restrict the amount of time I spend on the computer or watching television, and make sure I don't have too many household appliances on at once, because that sets me off as well."
This may sound bizarre, but there is no doubt that Sarah's symptoms are real.
To date, they include hair loss, sickness, high blood-pressure, digestive and memory problems, severe headaches and dizziness.
They strike with such ferocity that, since diagnosing herself as "electrically sensitive" in May 2005, she has been marooned at home.
She can't work. When she wants to phone friends, she has to use a land-line - a significant advancement, it turns out, because she was so ill at one stage, she says, that she couldn't even touch an ordinary receiver without feeling a violent shock pass up her arm.
Food shopping is done as rapidly as possible, once a week, at a time carefully chosen to avoid younger people and their permanently switched-on mobile phones.
And she can venture into built-up areas only if she is swathed in a net-and-hat ensemble made from a special "shielding fabric" that makes her look like a bee-keeper.
"I'm sure people laugh," she says, "but I don't mind as long as it keeps me well."
Finding her own solutions - however outwardly bizarre - has been essential because, for the moment at least, the medical establishment does not even accept that her condition exists.
Fortunately, some individual doctors have been sympathetic to her plight.
Dr Sarah Myhill, who is registered with the General Medical Council and practises privately in Wales, says: "There is no doubt that electrical sensitivity is a real phenomenon - I have seen too many people affected by electro-magnetic radiation (EMR) to think otherwise.
"Clinically, I nearly always see electrical sensitivity in people who are already suffering from chemical sensitivity.
"There are many symptoms that can be switched on by electrical sensitivity, and it appears that almost any electro-magnetic frequency can be the cause."
Even so, I cannot help feeling a little sceptical. Is there any suggestion that ES could be a psychosomatic illness, I ask Sarah (who, in fairness, does not seem to be particularly highly-strung).
"Inevitably, people suggest that," she says, with a flick of her auburn, Farrah Fawcett-style hair.
"But at one time, ME sufferers were accused of having psychosomatic symptoms and were ignored as a result. Now, the illness is formally recognised.
"Before this, I'd barely had a day ill in my life - I've always been a very energetic, dynamic person.
"I had a career in banking, then in events management, and then I ran my own television production company.
I was always busy and I was always out doing things - skiing, tango lessons, looking after my son, Josh, who's now 17. I had a very active life and I loved it.
"Now, I have no income because I can't work and I have no choice but to devote all my energies to fighting to find out more about my allergies."
The first symptoms started about five years ago. At first, Sarah ignored them, hoping they might be due to tiredness or stress and would simply go away.
Gradually, though, her condition deteriorated. And about two years ago, she says "everything hit at once, like a car crash. As well as the exhaustion and nausea, I even lost the sight in my right eye."
A stream of doctors, complementary practitioners and Chinese herbalists all failed to alleviate any of her symptoms or come up with a diagnosis.
Instead, she found an answer on Google - through websites such as electrosensitivity.org.uk.
All her symptoms seemed to match those of people who believe they are allergic to modern life.
She lists some of the offending items that were in her home: "I had a burglar alarm emitting microwave radiation, I used a mobile phone constantly, I had two cordless phones and countless appliances - all of which have an electromagnetic field associated with them."
Convinced that she had almost certainly found the cause of her illness, she ordered, from the internet, some special rolls of foil wallpaper and a fabric called Swiss bobbinet - a netting made from polyester filaments dipped in silver.
Both promised to "shield" her from any emissions from phone masts or wireless broadband systems.
Within a few weeks of the wallpaper going up and the windows being hung with netting, she began to feel better.
So much so that when she suddenly had an offer on her house, which she had been desperate to sell for seven months, she decided not to sell after all.
Since then, she has gradually managed to find other ways to help her cope.
She can use her computer for up to three hours a day, "but only if I keep myself absolutely detoxed all the time, drinking plenty of water and revolving my meals so that I don't become sensitive to certain types of food as well."
Her long-term (some would say long-suffering) boyfriend, Rod, a gold and silversmith who lives in Kent, has been sympathetic, she says. But there have been unexpected setbacks that might test the happiest of couples.
Last month, she had a relapse and started to panic.
"I'd been feeling quite bright and energetic; then suddenly, for three nights, I couldn't sleep," she says.
"I really felt it was back to how it was in the beginning, when I didn't know what was wrong with me. I was exhausted, developed bladder problems, felt ill. That's when I decided to run some tests."
Using an "electrosmog detector" - the name given to a device that can apparently register levels of electromagnetic activity - she checked her bedroom.
"And there was radiation streaming in through the one wall that I thought I hadn't needed to protect. We have some new neighbours, and I think they must have installed wireless broadband."
To ensure a good night's sleep, Sarah now takes the precaution of swathing herself in her special silver netting.
She is concerned by the increasing spread of wireless networks.
"I think it's a terrible mistake," she says. "Is Wi-Fi going to turn out to be the tobacco, asbestos or Thalidomide of the 21st century? It's looking that way.
"And instead of testing it out properly, what are we doing? We're putting it into schools, exposing small children to it all day long, and opening up entire Wi-Fi areas - they've just created a giant new Wi-Fi zone in the City of London.
"It horrifies me to think of people in small houses or flats who might be affected by several overlapping wireless networks at once."
Yet the scientific case for electrosensitivity (ES) is threadbare. The World Health Organisation's position is that "there is no scientific basis to link ES symptoms to EMR exposure.
"Further, ES is not a medical diagnosis, nor is it clear that it represents a single medical problem."
This week, Professor David Coggan, a member of the Health Protection Agency's advisory group on non-ionising radiation, told BBC's Newsnight: "There is quite a lot of evidence now accumulated on mobile phones and health - and the balance of evidence overall doesn't point to problems.
"There's still uncertainty and there still needs to be further research, but so far we don't have a concern.
"And on that basis, the concern about Wi-Fi is much lower on the scale than, say, that about pan-global influenza."
Other research has backed the view of the medical and scientific establishment.
In one "provocation" study, a number of people who claimed to have electrical sensitivity were placed in a room with a mobile phone and not told whether or not it was switched on.
Asked by a researcher how they felt, they failed to establish any link between physical symptoms and the alleged trigger.
Sarah Dacre believes that this is because the tests were carried out in an area with high background electrosmog.
"Once you are sensitised," she says, "that's it.
"It's like having a glass of wine - it's cumulative in your system.
"You don't stop being drunk once you have finished drinking, so you can't then be tested sober."
She continues to campaign for electrosensitivity to be recognised as a valid medical complaint linked to electromagnetic fields.
"While I'm up and about," she says a little sadly, "I'm going to do something about it."
COMMENTS: I do not use a mobile phone because I am still not convinced of the health side effects. This is, perhaps, seen as a slightly bizarre and leftfield point of view. I do, however, wonder about people like this and their grasp on science. Surely the EM waves from radio and satellites have more of an impact than your neighbours' wifi? After all, I can pick up satellite TV from hundreds of miles away ... I can only pick up wifi from the next room.
Violent shocks from an ordinary telephone? It's amazing that people 50 years ago didn't experience the same thing. Istead, it's left to the nuts from the 21st century to claim these new and inventive illnesses.
Of course, I work in with computers, so if I could prove EMR caused me to be ill I'd have a good case for sick leave for years ... bring on the proof ..
- Al, Swindon, UK
There has to be truth in Sarah's condition, she has already done the double blind test, why do we ignore the results?... Because we are totally overwhelmed by the constant bombardment of EMR that disrupts the natural brainwaves and creates disfunctional behavior.. look at the insanity that plagues our modern world.
- Ramon, Canada
Maybe this is why the honeybees are disappearing all over the world.
- Morgan Le Fay, Alabama, USA
I can feel the radiation from cell phones on the opposite side of my head when I use them. I believe what she is saying. Too much electricity, radiation, etc. can't be good for you.
- Mary, Grand Prairie, TX USA
Totally agree with Sarah.
I too am aware of the 'electronic smog' around.
My only concession to the modern world is my computer. I have this 'protected' via certain crystals and filters.
My phone is a landline. Mobile phones, and cordless phones give me headaches. I love the concept of these things but we are humans, not machines.
The sun here in Australia is very hot. I don't go out unless I have to - my sun-hats also, are all lined with foil - I thought I was one of the 'onlies' who did this!
I have made sure my inside is de-toxed as well.
Since I have taken this stand for myself I have felt so much more energetic.
I tell my friends about all this . They agree with me but I find it very hard to persuade them to be practical and do something about it.
Great to know someone on the other side of the planet is in agreement.
All the very best to you Sarah.
- Christina Elliott, Toowoomba, Australia
When I was a child back in the 1950's I, in common with lots of other lads, built a crystal set (of cat's whisker fame). With a wire stretching from my bedroom window to my mum's washing line post acting as an improvised antenna I could receive the BBC loud and clear on a set of army surplus tank commander's headphones powered only by the radiation collected from the antenna. Just think how much more radiation there is out there to collect since the 1950's; probably enough to power a light bulb or two!
- David Elliott, Brighton, UK
Coming from a bit of a computer nerd, this actually is very plausible. When I first connected wirelessly on my laptop my hand and lower arms felt tingly after a while - just to see it wasn't a fluke, I turned it off and still carried on as normal. It went away in a minute.
There have been other personal occurrences - standing next to a wireless router at work gave me headaches til I asked to be moved to a new workspace. At the moment, EM radiation is regarded as mostly harmless - but that might not apply to children and those who are thin boned.
- Howard, Manchester
My heart goes out to Sarah and other people who are so sensitive to modern technology that they have to go to such lengths to protect themselves. I, myself, have been very ill for the past few months and was shocked to find that the sudden decrease in energy and general good health happened at exactly the same point we had wi-fi installed at home. More research MUST be done immediately, to help our children as well as ourselves.
- Callie, London, UK
It wouldn't suprise me at all if this symptom, condition, whatever, turned out to be real.
I mean, this stuff; wi-fi etc- cant be good for us?!
- Jane K, London UK,
I am a degree qualified Building Surveyor with a family to support. I became Electrosensitive approx 7 yrs ago. For about 5 yrs I have struggled to stay in what would be a normal role for me ie high percentage of computer based office work. Modern offices are cram packed with high EMF emitting devices, pcs, printers, wireless devices, transformer/mobile phone chargers, fluoerescent lights, not to mention the Mobile Telephone mast down the road..
I tend now to accept more lowgrade surveying work that does not call for the latter. I am unable to use a mobile without feeling extremely nauseous, or for that matter an ordinary land line unless on speaker mode. I can not enjoy modern cars as I would like, by the time I finish this comment my head will be mildly stinging from close proximity to the LCD screen...the familiar ES persons plight !
In Sweeden 250,000 ES persons recieve help from the Gov, lets ask how/why and lets look at the Bigger picture here, before we cant turn back !
- Paul, Surrey
I have every sympathy for this lady and other people who are suffering modern day illnesses.
I was as fit as a fiddle until the early nineties when I moved into an office and ended up suffering from sick building syndrome and eventually ME.
I lost my health, my job and almost my mind and my partner.
What did my employers, their experts and legal team say? - It was down to the fact I smoked.
No matter what people suffer from, there are others in the same boat who can help, you just have to find them.
- Pc, Merseyside
I have spoken to many people who are affected by those technologies using PULSED microwave radiation (and it is the pulsing that makes it worse). I have also seen and heard others suffering from bad headaches, constant sleepless nights, nose bleeds, and other symptoms without being aware that it might be this technology or maybe something else. They just keep taking the pills and don't bother to research.
Sarah Dacre is a courageous lady raising awareness for the sake of others and their children and she has my respect and admiration.
I am also a sufferer and know exactly what she goes though and how her life is affected. I am lucky because I have found a small pocket with little technology and I am now recovering and living a more normal, but still restricted, life. I sleep well at night and have very little discomfort or pain. What I have is only due to walking into lines of TETRA emissions, Wi-Fi frequencies or other
people using mobile phones. The TETRA is the worst.
- Sandi, Chichester , West Sussex
I feel for Sarah, because I have been diagnosed, by my consultant, as EM radiation sensitive. Because of pesticide spray exposure 26 years ago, I have had MCS (multiple chemical sensitivities) as well as sensitivities to all the food I eat and to natural inhalents. Treatment for that was successful until a Ham radio enthusiast moved in next door - operating on both UHF and long-wave frequencies. That triggered the EM sensitivity, resulting in a huge worsening of dystonia symptoms. I have screened my home, like Sarah did, (not quite finished) and that has resulted in a reduction of the very fierce head jerking while I am at home.
I believe that there are electronic 'hot spots' and I live in one of them.
- Bettine Symons, Cheltenham, England
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
Actually if one likes piano, Mozart is good shit. It's not at all like other "classical" music. It was way ahead of it's time in a very real way. He's kinda the forerunner of Boogie Woogie and ragtime.
Thank you, & not just piano, Mozart did every musical instrument, & along with The Stones my greatest musical Influence, I'm just really surprised, I thought Keith would be more into the Delta Blues.
|Ten Thousand Motels
||>I'm just really surprised, I thought Keith would be more into the Delta Blues.<
I'm not surprised, except for the fact that he didn't "discover" Mozart sooner. That Mozart stuff has Count Basie and Jelly Roll Morton written all over it. Couple that with the fact that the old bastard that fucked Mozart thought Mozart was wrecking music (as well as his own paycheck)...kind of the same way Sinatra hated Rcok n Roll. As I recall Mozart was quite young when he died.
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I hate the idiots walking around with the damn Bluetooths in their ears. For some reason the youth see bass boost and Bluetooths as some dort of self esteem booster when the reality is it actually makes 90% of the people that see them think they are an idiot.
||me 2 but how do we make it stop?
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||me 2 but how do we make it stop?
||" me 2 but how do we make it stop? "
||Please I beg you to make it stop