ROCKS OFF - The Rolling Stones Message Board
A Bigger Bang Tour 2006

Thanks Estela
[ ROCKSOFF.ORG ] [ IORR NEWS ] [ SETLISTS 1962-2006 ] [ FORO EN ESPAÑOL ] [ BIT TORRENT TRACKER ] [ BIT TORRENT HELP ] [ BIRTHDAY'S LIST ] [ MICK JAGGER ] [ KEITHFUCIUS ] [ CHARLIE WATTS ] [ RONNIE WOOD ] [ BRIAN JONES ] [ MICK TAYLOR ] [ BILL WYMAN ] [ IAN "STU" STEWART ] [ NICKY HOPKINS ] [ MERRY CLAYTON ] [ IAN 'MAC' McLAGAN ] [ LINKS ] [ PHOTOS ] [ JIMI HENDRIX ] [ TEMPLE ] [ GUESTBOOK ] [ ADMIN ]
CHAT ROOM aka The Fun HOUSE Rest rooms last days
ROCKS OFF - The Rolling Stones Message Board
Register | Update Profile | F.A.Q. | Admin Control Panel

Topic: Scotty McClellan resigns! (nsc) Return to archive
19th April 2006 04:12 PM
FPM C10 Aw...li'l Scotty McClellan is the latest baggage to be thrown over the side at the sinking ship of state!

Much as I despise the little toadie...what possible difference could this make?

19th April 2006 04:23 PM
jb
quote:
FPM C10 wrote:
Aw...li'l Scotty McClellan is the latest baggage to be thrown over the side at the sinking ship of state!

Much as I despise the little toadie...what possible difference could this make?




Interesting and telling article about him in this month's Vanity Fair(Green Edition).
19th April 2006 04:31 PM
rasputin56 Next up:
19th April 2006 04:36 PM
jb
quote:
rasputin56 wrote:
Next up:




http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060417roco03?print=true
19th April 2006 04:38 PM
gimmekeef It just proves ya can only spin bullshit so far..then you go to the bullpen....
19th April 2006 04:45 PM
rasputin56
quote:
jb wrote:


http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060417roco03?print=true



Yeah, I actually read this from the "good" Watergate reporter this a.m. Excellent article.
19th April 2006 04:46 PM
jb
quote:
rasputin56 wrote:


Yeah, I actually read this from the "good" Watergate reporter this a.m. Excellent article.


Sadly, his one time partner, Woodward, has become partof the establishment and no longer trying to tear it down.
19th April 2006 05:09 PM
kath who could blame him?? he's been slathered with chicken fat and sent out to talk to the wolves in the press for waaay too long! one can only lie so many times before it starts to work on you.......
20th April 2006 03:18 PM
FPM C10 Kath - what happened to your gun-toting kitty avatar? That was hilarious!

Ankush Khardori: Why You Should Feel Bad for Scott McClellan

Scott McClellan's announcement yesterday that he would be stepping down as press secretary came as no surprise. As recently as Monday he hinted that he might be on his way out when, after being asked by a reporter if he would be part of the much talked about White House reshuffle, he responded, "Two years in this position is a long time, I'm very mindful of that. But, look, I never get into any of that speculation." Well, everyone else did, and we all saw McClellan headed for the door.


At yesterday's press briefing, McClellan told reporters that he had felt no pressure to resign but, rather, had been mulling over the prospect of stepping down in the weeks since former White House chief of staff Andy Card left the building. Time's Mike Allen, however, blew that story to pieces fairly quickly:

Like [Josh] Bolten's predecessor, Andrew H. Card Jr., McClellan did not want to go. Although [McClellan] had talked to colleagues sporadically about departing as long as a year ago, he had planned to stay until after the midterm election. Friends said he had gotten the internal signal and wanted to get it over with, to short-circuit the craziness of having to refuse to speculate about himself from the podium.

So what does McClellan's departure mean? The White House no doubt sought to get some mileage out of the announcement, figuring it would provide support to the narrative that the administration is in the midst of a reshuffle. (A quick aside: Can we stop calling it a "shake-up"? Card was replaced by OMB director Bolten, who was replaced by the administration's chief trade negotiator, Rob Portman, who was replaced by his deputy, Susan Schwab. Karl Rove, moreover, was semi-demoted and replaced by Joel Kaplan, deputy White House budget director. Until someone from outside the administration gets appointed to something, this is all just an elaborate game of musical chairs.) But any hopes of pulling one over on White House watchers were quickly dashed. The New Republic's Michael Crowley, for instance, confidently proclaimed that McClellan's departure "will mean approximately zero for the course of human history," while NPR's Andrea Seabrook asked, "will anything change?" The real news yesterday, everyone agreed, was Karl Rove's move.

This reaction wasn't all that surprising. McClellan has been a favored punching bag for journalists, as well as critics of the administration, since practically the minute he took over from the hacktacular Ari Fleischer. McClellan stepped up to the podium in the White House briefing room every day and relentlessly pounded away at the administration's talking points ("we don't comment on ongoing investigations," "we're here to do the business of the American people," "September 11th," etc.); as Seabrook put it, he "had the job of being 'Washington Jerk No.1.' His whole raison d'etre was to obfuscate, squelch, conceal and mask the truths reporters sought." To make things even more embarrassing, he was never actually an integral part of crafting these talking points or the administration's broader media strategy -- tasks which were primarily carried out by Dan Bartlett and Rove. McClellan's lack of any real verbal dexterity, moreover, was striking; he was never all that comfortable in front of cameras, and the man simply did not have an easy way with words. Christopher Hitchens summed things up nicely several months ago: "I'm not the only person in Washington who wonders every day how that guy got that job. I mean, it's an insult to the intelligence of everyone who has to listen to him."

Was he really all that bad? For supporters of the administration, McClellan must have been a godsend: His affectless, near-catatonic stare was the perfect representation of the contempt with which the White House regards the press, and the less information he gave to them, the better. For those of us who hold the controversial position that the President (or his press secretary) has an obligation to be honest about what the country's leader is up to, McClellan was not much of an improvement over the supremely arrogant Fleischer. But to fully understand McClellan, you had to understand that this was a man who was fundamentally and consistently out of the loop. Yes, he was routinely sent to the briefing room with half-truths and lies, but McClellan's tragic earnestness revealed that, on most occasions, he actually bought the spin that the White House was putting out. Flawed and inept as McClellan was, his obliviousness was ultimately his most consistent feature.

Take, for instance, his statements -- those that will surely go down as his most memorable -- on Rove and Scooter Libby's involvement in the Valerie Plame scandal. In late 2003, McClellan repeatedly told the press corps that Rove and Libby had informed him that they had nothing to do with the leaking of Plame's identity. We now know the implications of those statements were flatly and embarrassingly wrong, but as Newsweek points out, McClellan "gave himself enough wiggle room to suggest later they had lied to him." Mike McCurry, one of President Clinton's press secretaries, believes that this is actually what occurred; he observed on NPR that once the true extent of Rove and Libby's involvement came to light, "You could tell from body language -- by the quotient of squirming -- that [McClellan] felt very uncomfortable, that he had not been given reliable information by people he worked with." McCurry knows a thing or two about being sent out to the press with unreliable information, and if McClellan had even a modicum of self-respect, he, not unlike McCurry, would have left after it became clear that his colleagues had lied to him.

Whereas Fleischer developed a well-earned reputation for deliberately delivering up falsehoods to the press, it was never all that clear whether McClellan was fully in on the administration's game plans. He had a much more complicated relationship with the truth -- namely, being unable to come in contact with it -- and this is ultimately, I suspect, what endeared him to the White House press corps. McClellan was so obviously on the outside of the bubble that ensconces the President that he couldn't really be blamed for all the nonsense he spouted in the briefing room. McClellan was unserious and pitiable -- a man with no greater skill in life than an ability to bore you to tears by repeating talking points (true or not, but mostly not) that were basically handed to him by the people doing the real and very ugly work of the Bush administration. While Fleischer lacked scruples, McClellan simply lacked self-respect. You just had to have sympathy for a guy who was so clueless and so apparently willing to be used by his superiors that he would endure almost unknown levels of public scorn and ridicule on literally a daily basis.

Ironically, we may eventually long for the days of McClellan's tenure. Judging by the names that are being tossed around as potential replacements, we could be in for Fleischer redux. While we may not have had an ally with McClellan, his successor could be much worse -- someone who possesses the self-awareness that makes him (or her) more than just another laughable White House hack but, rather, a legitimately effective liar.
20th April 2006 04:17 PM
gimmekeef Wheres CJ when we need her?
20th April 2006 04:31 PM
glencar That's a Dem fantasy. I wouldn't read too much into his although it's obvious some will try. He served for a long time & fresh talent is (almost!)always a good thing.
20th April 2006 04:34 PM
Joey

The end is near for this Presidency ...........

I can SMELL it !!!!!


**** Sniff ****


NO !!!! ... Wait !!!! .... that is Ass that I smell .

*** Sniff ***


Sniffy ! ®
20th April 2006 04:35 PM
glencar Yes, I can smell it all the way over here.
20th April 2006 05:47 PM
Sir Stonesalot I should apply for Scotty's old job.

I can sling bullshit with the best of them....and I can throw a pretty mean poker bluff out there too.

Are you allowed to laugh in the President's face when he tells you what to say?

No?

Oh.

Well that case, never mind.
20th April 2006 06:50 PM
kath
quote:
Kath - what happened to your gun-toting kitty avatar? That was hilarious!



i dunno, i just couldn't quite decide...i changed the avatar like 5 times in an hour or so...

i really wanted this:

but it gets too small as an avatar.....
Search for information in the wet page, the archives and this board:

PicoSearch
The Rolling Stones World Tour 2005 Rolling Stones Bigger Bang Tour 2005 2006 Rolling Stones Forum - Rolling Stones Message Board - Mick Jagger - Keith Richards - Brian Jones - Charlie Watts - Ian Stewart - Stu - Bill Wyman - Mick Taylor - Ronnie Wood - Ron Wood - Rolling Stones 2005 Tour - Farewell Tour - Rolling Stones: Onstage World Tour A Bigger Bang US Tour

NEW: SEARCH ZONE:
Search for goods, you'll find the impossible collector's item!!!
Enter artist an start searching using "Power Search" (RECOMMENDED)