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25th March 2008 11:13 AM
BluesMafia21
quote:
Fiji Joe wrote:


I no longer have time for this frolic...It's Frank Sinatra week...Suddenly, all this just seems so very Wayne Newton



Frank is the shit. Tough skinny dude back in the day and he loved him some very fine ladies...
25th March 2008 11:54 AM
pdog
quote:
BluesMafia21 wrote:


Frank is the shit. Tough skinny dude back in the day and he loved him some very fine ladies...



Frank envy...
25th March 2008 12:12 PM
LordUlster
quote:
pdog wrote:


Frank envy...



You are too old and creepy to attempt to speak with the likes of me...
25th March 2008 12:25 PM
pdog Hillary Clinton would dodge these posts,no?
25th March 2008 01:06 PM
the good
quote:
BluesMafia21 wrote:


Your own words would then indicate if you suffer from belief in self you also suffer from unblemished psychosis.

You either believe or you don't.

Which is it?



Is this supposed to make a serious point?
25th March 2008 01:34 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
BluesMafia21 wrote:


Your own words would then indicate if you suffer from belief in self you also suffer from unblemished psychosis.

You either believe or you don't.




You heard yourself say that.

We heard you say this.


25th March 2008 02:07 PM
glencar This thread is dying on the vine. Even the sock puppets are playing nice.
25th March 2008 02:19 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
glencar wrote:
This thread is dying on the vine. Even the sock puppets are playing nice.



I did try to raise Obama's hypocrisy and self-righteousness by his calling out "right-wing" churches just a year prior to THE SPEECH... http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalr...tian-right.html

I thought people would find it interesting that he remained silent regarding the polarization and hate in his own church, yet had the "INTEGRITY", "HONOR" and "PRINCIPLE" to attack other churches...I thought to myself...man...that would have been a good time to bring up one of those "My grammy" kinda examples...like maybe he would say..."my church is bigoted too"...and say to America..."this polarization by churches, both left and right, has got to stop"....of course, before he would say something like that, I think he would have to actually want it to happen...so it went unsaid
25th March 2008 02:38 PM
sirmoonie Jesus fucking Christ, my kids give a larger % of their hard earned money (small poates Green) to charity than the Obamas. And they give it to people who actually need it like little black kids with flies swirling around their eyes.

I'm telling you, this Obama guy is a trifecta hustler. Shades of Beni Beni "upstreet."
25th March 2008 02:55 PM
monkey_man Once again, a politicians church has fuck all to do with the mess they face when they get to the White House. . .


10 reasons your taxes are going up
No matter who's elected president, the debt party's over

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) --
Reason No. 1: "Most Americans have yet to feel any of the costs of the Iraq war," write Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes in an excerpt of their new book, "The Three Trillion Dollar War," in Vanity Fair. "The price in blood has been paid by members of the volunteer military. The price in treasure has been financed entirely by borrowing. Taxes have not been raised to pay for the war."
Well, folks, the party's over. Campaign rhetoric won't hide America's excesses, denial, incompetence and arrogance much longer. No matter who's elected, taxes will increase to cover massive debts. Greed has driven America's great economic engine into a "debt contagion" ditch with a recession, bear market, price inflation, and weak job and housing markets ... you bet your taxes will increase.
Yes, our five-year war was totally financed by borrowing. But unfortunately, "deficit spending gives the illusion that the laws of economics can be repealed. They cannot. Americans will have to pay for the war at some point -- and when they do, they will be paying not the Bush markdown but the full price," the authors say.
We've been mislead by Washington's Enron-style accounting that hides many costs:

Supplemental financing bills, outside the budget

No veterans health-care estimates included

No equipment replacement costs to restore our military

Nothing about increases in state and homeland security

The real cost isn't $800 billion, it's already $3 trillion. And still, it doesn't include ...
Interest on the ever-increasing $9.3 trillion federal debt

Damage to our credibility from a weak dollar

Out-of-control inflation in energy

And the brutal damage to Iraq and other Gulf states

Washington's hiding all that from us. We were sold a war-on-the-cheap, to cost a mere $50 billion to $60 billion, to be self-financed out of oil revenues. Today we're spending $50 billion every month! This war is already an economic disaster for America and the bill's still coming due.
Still, we know there's strong opposition to taxes. But can a new president change much? Certainly not with two-thirds of the budget in untouchable entitlements and interest costs. Besides, Washington's not run by our 537 elected officials but by 35,000 lobbyists. And after the elections, all 35,537 will still be part of a conspiracy that hates change and loves to spend the $3 trillion Federal budget.
Mark my words: Taxes will (must!) be increased to recover from years of excessive spending, accumulating deficits and future earmarks. A new president may expose the problems but without Congressional restraint the taxpayers will get stuck paying "the full price."

Frankly, since both parties are mired in narrow ideologies, it's questionable whether either can manage a $15 trillion GDP economy. Read "Mismanagement 101," Dan Gross's Newsweek column: "As oil hovered near $100 a barrel, President Bush complained to OPEC about high oil prices. OPEC president Chakib Khelil responded acidly that crude's remarkable run had nothing to do with the reluctance of Persian Gulf nations to pump oil, and everything to do with the 'mismanagement of the U.S. economy.'" And our heavy reliance on borrowing keeps making it even more difficult for the next president.
But unfortunately, even though the party's over, that $3 trillion war debt is just a fraction of America's out-of-control debt which is bigger than the official $9.3 trillion federal debt. It's reason No. 1 taxes are going up.
Here are another nine problems increasing our government's debt and adding pressures for new tax hikes. I'm sure you can think of many others:

2. America's new Wall Street welfare program
This one's scary. For the first time in almost a century, the Fed's bailing out the investment bankers, those wild speculators who got us in this mess -- bailed out while two million homeowners face foreclosures and increasing interest rates.
The real sinners are free to sin again! Like J.P. Morgan Chase's $2 -- now $10 -- freebie of Bear Stern's equity, while the Fed stuck the taxpayers with billions of Bear's junk debt. Now Wall Street's greedy traders are free to start speculating again, playing in the same old $516 trillion high-risk derivatives casino. Bad move: The Fed's setting America up for an even bigger crash around 2012.

3. The Fed's nationalizing America's financial industry
Bear Sterns is a symptom of a systemic disease. As BusinessWeek put it: "Financiers preached the free-market gospel and pocketed unheard-of sums of money, yet when times got tough they called for a government bailout."
The Fed's dealing with America like a third-world banana republic, effectively nationalizing our financial industry! Wall Street's speculators have over $200 billion in junk write-offs. But like the government accounting tricks hiding war costs, Wall Street has also been inflating junk asset values and ginning up profits. And now the Fed's even helping them mask losses to prevent panic. Eventually this PR stunt will cut Wall Street's future earnings and increase taxes.

4. Huge resistance to cutting social and entitlement programs
Lobbyists like AARP will fight all cutbacks in Medicare and Social Security entitlements, even though those unfunded benefits will balloon to $50 trillion to $65 trillion within a generation. Economists say solving this problem will take Draconian cuts of 40% in benefits or tax increases of 40%. If we don't, entitlements will consume the entire budget in a generation. Untouchable near-term: Ergo, minimal cuts, higher taxes.

5. America's pork barrel lobbying machine
The Washington Post says lobbying is "Washington's biggest business." All those 35,000 lobbyists will be around for the entire 2009-2012 first term of the next president, and all screaming for government handouts. The Democrats need them. And while McCain promises to veto earmarks, his campaign's inner circle is made up of special interest lobbyists, ostensibly working for "free."
Expect little change. Lobbyists earn big bucks squeezing megabucks out of the federal budget, and your taxes pay the bills.

6. White House's free market nonaction policies
"We're on top of it," said the President in his St. Patrick's Day speech at the New York Economics Club, as if the credit meltdown had little effect on the economy. The Treasury secretary even got a Katrina-style "great job, Hank" for working one whole weekend to magically fix the crisis.
Unfortunately, the Treasury and the Fed are following the same playbook that pushed the 1970s economy into a long, deep recession. Pimco's Bill Gross says we need an aggressive Rooseveltian fiscal package. No chance. This administration only knows a free market (for business) and tax cuts (for the top).

7. Aging infrastructure: roads, bridges, water, sewer, etc.
Imagine taking that $50 billion monthly cost of fighting and rebuilding Iraq and shifting it to upgrading our own highways, hospitals, power, sewer and water plants. Dream on. Yet our deterioration continues and deferred maintenance only works so long. Expect higher gas taxes, plus sizeable cutbacks in state and local services, or general tax increases.

8. Paradigm shift: consumer spending vs. consumer savings
In one generation our savings rate declined below zero. Policymakers favored a consumer-driven economy, capital formation fell and debt piled up. Meanwhile, consumers took a cue from an out-of-control "spend and borrow" government piling up huge deficits.

9. Recession reality replacing arrogant optimism
The past five years the Wall Street Bubble Machine relied on an artificially low 1% Fed rate to create the housing boom and then the subprime-credit meltdown. Meanwhile our optimism and faith in capitalism sank with all the phony asset values and stock prices concocted by Wall Street ... and it'll happen again ... because Wall Street's relentless, all-consuming greed is setting up the economy to crash and burn again, all too soon ... and the taxpayer will pick up the tab ... again.

10. Now your turn, what's your top reason taxes will increase?
Seriously, you tell us, what did we miss? Or do you honestly believe we can "stay the course" and not increase taxes? If so, tell us how. Tell us why we're wrong in saying: "No matter who's the next president, your taxes are going up."
25th March 2008 03:10 PM
Some Guy When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important lesson to be learned. Do not have sex with the authorities. ~ Matt Groening
25th March 2008 03:12 PM
LadyJane Clearly the most NEWSWORTHY story of the ENTIRE campaign:
___________________________________________________________
Obama related to Pitt, Clinton to Jolie By DENISE LAVOIE,

BOSTON - This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of actor Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt's girlfriend, Angelina Jolie.


Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates — Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain.

Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush.

Genealogist Christopher Child said that while the candidates often focus on pointing out differences between them, their ancestry shows they are more alike than they think.

"It shows that lots of different people can be related, people you wouldn't necessarily expect," Child said.

Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee.

"His kinships are across the political spectrum," Child said.

Child has spent the last three years tracing the candidates' genealogy, along with senior research scholar Gary Boyd Roberts, author of the 1989 book, "Ancestors of American Presidents."

Clinton's distant cousins include beatnik author Jack Kerouac and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.

McCain's ancestry was more difficult to trace because records on his relatives were not as complete as records for the families of Obama and Clinton, Child said.

Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662.

Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769.

Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in St. Sulpice, Quebec, in 1718.

The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.
____________________________________________________________

LJ.

25th March 2008 03:23 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
LadyJane wrote:
Clearly the most NEWSWORTHY story of the ENTIRE campaign:
___________________________________________________________
Obama related to Pitt, Clinton to Jolie By DENISE LAVOIE,

BOSTON - This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of actor Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt's girlfriend, Angelina Jolie.


Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates — Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain.

Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush.

Genealogist Christopher Child said that while the candidates often focus on pointing out differences between them, their ancestry shows they are more alike than they think.

"It shows that lots of different people can be related, people you wouldn't necessarily expect," Child said.

Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee.

"His kinships are across the political spectrum," Child said.

Child has spent the last three years tracing the candidates' genealogy, along with senior research scholar Gary Boyd Roberts, author of the 1989 book, "Ancestors of American Presidents."

Clinton's distant cousins include beatnik author Jack Kerouac and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.

McCain's ancestry was more difficult to trace because records on his relatives were not as complete as records for the families of Obama and Clinton, Child said.

Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662.

Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769.

Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in St. Sulpice, Quebec, in 1718.

The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.
____________________________________________________________

LJ.





Yes...but we all trace back to Kevin Bacon...so we're doomed...Jesus is going to smite us...and smite us hard

25th March 2008 03:32 PM
sirmoonie
quote:
monkey_man wrote:
10 reasons your taxes are going up
No matter who's elected president, the debt party's over

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) --

"As oil hovered near $100 a barrel, President Bush complained to OPEC about high oil prices. OPEC president Chakib Khelil responded acidly that crude's remarkable run had nothing to do with the reluctance of Persian Gulf nations to pump oil, and everything to do with the 'mismanagement of the U.S. economy.'"


WTF? Did he really do that? There he is, the self-proclaimed "free market" admirer doing, once again, the opposite of everything he tries to pretend he stands for - crying to a bunch of Arabs about the unfairness of supply and demand.

Can this fucking chump of a president go a day without embarrassing the country?
25th March 2008 03:48 PM
Some Guy Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with our female party guests -- we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!
25th March 2008 04:01 PM
sirmoonie
quote:
Some Guy wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with our female party guests -- we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!



Thanks, Spuds.

Latest on Edward? I saw ValBert say he was okay a while back, but she did not elaborate.
25th March 2008 04:03 PM
Fiji Joe Damn...even pathological liars have enough sense to quit that church

Hillary = A man of principle and integrity


---------

Clinton: Rev. Wright ‘Would Not Have Been My Pastor’
by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Breaking her silence on the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s long-time pastor, Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that she would have left the congregation if her pastor behaved like Obama’s.

“He would not have been my pastor,” Clinton told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

She later repeated that statement at a press conference in Greensburg, Pa., saying, “You know, we don’t have a choice when it comes to our relatives. We have a choice when it comes to our pastors and the churches we attend.

“Everyone will have to decide these matters for themselves. They are obviously very personal matters … I think the choice would be clear for me,” she said.

Though Obama has come under intense scrutiny for the anti-U.S. and racially charged sermons by Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., until now Clinton has declined to make a political point of it.

But in the newspaper interview Tuesday, the New York senator compared Wright with radio talk show host Don Imus, who was fired by CBS radio a year ago for calling members of the Rutgers University women’s basketball team “nappy-headed hos” and who drew criticism for the remarks from both Obama and Clinton.

“You know, I spoke out against Don Imus, saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that,” Clinton told the Pittsburgh newspaper. “I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving.”

Some polls showed Obama’s support slipping at the height of the Wright controversy a week ago, when the Illinois senator gave a major speech in Philadelphia on race that addressed his church ties. Obama decried Wright’s sermons for not recognizing the progress that’s been made with regard to racial equality, but would not denounce the pastor himself.

Obama has said he was not in church when many of Wright’s anti-U.S. statements were made, but admits hearing remarks he found objectionable and knowing that Wright was controversial.

However, Obama is not the only politician this campaign season who has had brushes with the Chicago pastor. A photo posted on The New York Times’ Web site Thursday night showed Bill Clinton and Wright shaking hands at a White House prayer breakfast 10 years ago.

Meanwhile, Obama’s church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, is fighting back against the criticism heaped on Wright. Wright’s successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, used his Easter sermons Sunday to compare Wright’s treatment by the media to the crucifixion of Jesus at the hands of the Romans. Church members claim Wright’s sermons, in which he said “God damn America” and blamed the U.S. government for introducing HIV into the black community, have been taken out of context.
25th March 2008 04:10 PM
Some Guy
quote:
sirmoonie wrote:

Thanks, Spuds.

Latest on Edward? I saw ValBert say he was okay a while back, but she did not elaborate.


things are very hush hush as of now
25th March 2008 04:20 PM
pdog As fucked up as China is, we love to buy their poorly made, cheap products...
I heard some one say, should we boycott the Olympics. How about we boycott Wal-mart and Target?
25th March 2008 04:27 PM
Fiji Joe Dude takes in more money from renting his treehouse to kids than he gives to starving africans...I see the hate factory got a hefty donation

http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R9n763-myfI/AAAAAAAAMEE/-VwT7GAI_5U/s1600-h/obama+tax+statement.JPG
[Edited by Fiji Joe]
25th March 2008 04:33 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
pdog wrote:
As fucked up as China is, we love to buy their poorly made, cheap products...
I heard some one say, should we boycott the Olympics. How about we boycott Wal-mart and Target?



I have done that for years now...personally...it doesn't stop my wife, however...My kids are good about checking the labels...My youngest has taken up a bad habit of chucking his happy meal toys out the car window if it says "made in china"...I think he dreams of Singapore made toys
25th March 2008 04:36 PM
Nasty Habits
quote:
Fiji Joe wrote:
Dude takes in more money from renting his treehouse to kids than he gives to starving africans...I see the hate factory got a hefty donation

http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R9n763-myfI/AAAAAAAAMEE/-VwT7GAI_5U/s1600-h/obama+tax+statement.JPG
[Edited by Fiji Joe]



But, I notice, not anything remotely close to the tithe you're supposed to be giving to your church. I think you are onto something here - pursue tightwadgate to its logical and damning conclusions.

[Edited by Nasty Habits]
25th March 2008 04:54 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:


But, I notice, not anything remotely close to the tithe you're supposed to be giving to your church. I think you are onto something here - pursue tightwadgate to its logical and damning conclusions.

[Edited by Nasty Habits]



What do you know of the percentage of income asked for by the black jesus created by the founders of Black Liberation Theology?...Really?...What do you know?...I have no idea personally...I do know that he was poor...and that ultimately, he came to hate whitey...all whiteys...so perhaps he requires less...being more humble...maybe he just wants to keep it real...I really don't have an answer for any of this
25th March 2008 05:00 PM
LordUlster
quote:
the good wrote:


Is this supposed to make a serious point?



Hell no. We are on an old people's message board and you make pedantic statements that do little more than bore.

There was a time when this place stood for something. Sadly that time is long passed...
25th March 2008 05:05 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
LordUlster wrote:


Hell no. We are on an old people's message board and you make pedantic statements that do little more than bore.

There was a time when this place stood for something. Sadly that time is long passed...



Did you forget which alias you were typing under crack head?
25th March 2008 05:05 PM
Nasty Habits
quote:
Fiji Joe wrote:


What do you know of the percentage of income asked for by the black jesus created by the founders of Black Liberation Theology?...Really?...What do you know?...I have no idea personally...I do know that he was poor...and that ultimately, he came to hate whitey...all whiteys...so perhaps he requires less...being more humble...maybe he just wants to keep it real...I really don't have an answer for any of this



You're right. Maybe white Jesus is nothing but a shakedown artist demanding 10 to 15% protection capital. Maybe black Jesus knows that people just trying to get over and you gotta do what you can. I'll look into it.


25th March 2008 05:07 PM
rasputin56 Good to see the usual hatemongers are still going strong around here. Kudos!

I'm still laughing at the "Krauthammer is a genius" line! A thing of beauty.
[Edited by rasputin56]
25th March 2008 05:10 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:

You're right. Maybe white Jesus is nothing but a shakedown artist demanding 10 to 15% protection capital. Maybe black Jesus knows that people just trying to get over and you gotta do what you can. I'll look into it.




No need...I found the answer


Good Times.
Any time you meet a payment.
Good Times.
Any time you need a friend.
Good Times.
Any time you're out from under.

Not getting hastled, not getting hustled.
Keepin' your head above water,
Making a wave when you can.

Temporary lay offs.
Good Times.
Easy credit rip offs.
Good Times.
Scratchin' and surviving.
Good Times.
Hangin in a chow line
Good Times.
Ain't we lucky we got 'em
Good Times.
25th March 2008 05:10 PM
LordUlster
quote:
Fiji Joe wrote:


Did you forget which alias you were typing under crack head?



No. My deception is both open and expected, thus by its very nature is not deception.

You on the other hand type with very small hands....
25th March 2008 05:11 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:
rasputin56 wrote:
Good to see the usual hatemongers are still going strong around here.




Yes...Obama lives!
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