quote:glencar wrote:
I believe he was Barry Obama, Druggie!
The guy owned up to dabbling with cocaine, and you...oh, nevermind, you can't even come out of the closet.
11th February 2008 12:42 AM
pdog
Seriouly, we all have nicknames here, we can't really be talking about nicknames? I guess we can...
11th February 2008 12:52 AM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:pdog wrote:
Seriouly, we all have nicknames here, we can't really be talking about nicknames? I guess we can...
Yes, it's gotten that bad. Prepare yourself for even more desperate attacks as the reactionaries watch their eight-year grip on power slip away.
11th February 2008 07:32 PM
glencar
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
Dipstick? You call the Wall Street Journal dipstick? I'm stunned. I would have thought the WSJ would be your favorite national newspaper, especially now that your boy Rupert has gobbled it up.
Nah, I was calling you a dipstick. And actually, I'm not as big a fan of the WSJ as you might imagine. They're anti-worker & pro-illegals.
11th February 2008 07:33 PM
glencar
quote:pdog wrote:
Seriouly, we all have nicknames here, we can't really be talking about nicknames? I guess we can...
LOL It's the silly season.
11th February 2008 08:29 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:glencar wrote:
Nah, I was calling you a dipstick.
So the mindless ad hominem argument is not the exclusive domain of Fiji Joe. My mistake.
11th February 2008 08:30 PM
glencar
We're reasonable men who are talking about the major issues of the time. You're a hummingbird who very occasionally has something to add but that's as rare as snow in July.
11th February 2008 09:00 PM
Brainbell Jangler
The Fresh Scent of Idealism in the Air by Rosa Brooks
"We can end a war. . . . We can save the planet. . . . We can change the world."
A few years ago, if you had suggested that a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination consider airing these sentiments in ads broadcast during the Super Bowl, most political pundits would have said you were insane. The Super Bowl, watched by nearly a third of the U.S. population, is about football, beer and machismo. It's not about the anti-war movement, the environmental movement, the anti-poverty movement or peace, love and understanding.
But a week ago Sunday, Barack Obama aired a 30-second Super Bowl ad that drew unabashedly on the iconography of the American left--and no one batted an eyelash. The ad offered images of rallies and protest marches, of poverty and environmental destruction, of the devastation of war and of beaming, hopeful, multiracial crowds. Broadcast not to a niche demographic but to a cross-section of football fans, the message was unashamedly idealistic.
The Obama ad highlights a recent sea change in Democratic politics, one that's impossible to overstate. A few short years ago, Democrats were on the defensive. On national security issues, the party's power brokers anxiously debated how best to look "tough." That led easily into a depressing sort of "me-tooism," as Democrats competed to show that they weren't the wimpy, soft creatures of Republican caricature but hard, chest-beating types, willing to embrace wars, abandon civil liberties and kill terrorists deader than dead.
On domestic issues, Democrats were also running scared. Most congressional Democrats voted to support President Bush's ruinous 2004 tax cut, for instance. And in general, Democrats did their darnedest to avoid using words or images that would remind the average American of the 1960s. The conventional wisdom was that bringing up the anti-war movement or the women's movement or race or poverty would be a gift to the right.
No more. All of a sudden, Democrats are on the offensive. "Change" isn't just this year's most ubiquitous campaign slogan, it seems to be something that's already happening out there in the real world, in small towns, on college campuses and, yes, even at Super Bowl parties.
Who knows just what caused the shift in mood? Iraq? Katrina? Global warming? Rising income inequality? Disgust with Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney? Whatever the causes, Americans seem eager to reclaim a spirit of idealism that many thought ended with the 1960s, to embrace a heritage that acknowledges conflict and struggle but also hope and progress.
Obama's Super Bowl ad represented a gamble: a bet that the symbolism of past social movements is now more likely to give Americans a thrill than a chill. And the matter-of-factness with which his ad was greeted--and Obama's electoral success so far--suggest that his campaign correctly read the national mood.
Hillary Clinton's campaign also has recognized that Democrats are operating in a changed landscape. Clinton increasingly seeks to appeal to the same idealistic spirit as Obama, the same nostalgia for those moments when changing the world seemed truly to be within our grasp, the same conviction that we again have an opportunity to reshape our world.
Today, the arguments between the two candidates are over who is best placed to bring about the seismic change that both candidates assume voters want. Is it Obama, with his multiracial background, his youth, his broad appeal and his lack of baggage? Or is it Clinton, a woman who can claim to have learned some painful lessons about when to compromise and when to stick to her guns?
It's far too soon to say if the newfound spirit of idealism that's sending voters (including many independents) to the Democratic primaries in record numbers will endure, paving the way for an era of energized new social movements and reforms. But I would bet that we really have turned a page. On the Republican side, too, there's a palpable desire for a candidate who doesn't fit into a rigid ideological box, one who can tap into and reflect our best instincts instead of our most craven fears.
Whether the idealistic yearning for change endures probably has little to do with who wins and who loses the Democratic nomination (or even the White House). Losses can galvanize social movements just as much as victories, and whoever wins the White House will be president of an America different from the one that greeted Bush's inaugurations in 2001 and 2005. It will be a more hopeful, less partisan nation, one united in its rueful awareness of the ways the Bush presidency went wrong, a nation more ready to pull its socks up and get to work to put things right.
Rosa Brooks is a professor at the Georgetown University Law Center.
11th February 2008 09:06 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
Obama won Maine.
For what it's worth.
11th February 2008 09:18 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:glencar wrote:
We're reasonable men who are talking about the major issues of the time. You're a hummingbird who very occasionally has something to add but that's as rare as snow in July.
We have snow all year here in the land of high mountains. You East Coast city folk don't know what it is to breathe the mind-clearing air of the West.
A real man would address the issues, not engage in sophomoric name-calling.
[Edited by Brainbell Jangler]
11th February 2008 09:21 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
My mistake.
Yeah...That's what your daddy said
11th February 2008 09:21 PM
glencar
It depends on what the meaning of "real" really is...
11th February 2008 09:21 PM
glencar
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
Yeah...That's what your daddy said
LOL He still regrets it!
11th February 2008 09:24 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
quote:Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
Obama won Maine.
For what it's worth.
For what its worth
Chelsea has a nice pair of legs.
At least that's what they say.
11th February 2008 09:27 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:glencar wrote:
LOL He still regrets it!
My dad doesn't regret much. That's one of the blessings of the Alzheimer's (asshole).
[Edited by Brainbell Jangler]
11th February 2008 09:29 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
Yeah...That's what your daddy said
After he fucked your mother.
11th February 2008 09:33 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
My dad doesn't regret much. That's one of the blessings of the Alzheimer's (asshole).
[Edited by Brainbell Jangler]
You just pulled the asshole card?...That's interesting
Back to the issues...I support Barack's approach to international diplomacy...and considering we already know where Pakistan stands on the willingness to confront those "holed up" terrorists, I expect swift, very swift action by B. Hussein Obama
" “There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” - US Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama
How do you think that'll work out?
11th February 2008 09:35 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
After he fucked your mother.
My brother?...you totally got jipped on the cool gene
11th February 2008 09:36 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
You just pulled the asshole card?...That's interesting
That's right, I did. You fuckwits can leave my sick father out of this.
11th February 2008 09:37 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
My brother?...you totally got jipped on the cool gene
Like my dad would go in there bareback.
11th February 2008 09:39 PM
Cobbler
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
My brother?...you totally got jipped on the cool gene
Fiji you freak asshole,
Why do you try to be Shitforbrains - YOU ARE Shitforbrains
11th February 2008 09:39 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
That's right, I did. You fuckwits can leave my sick father out of this.
Or...you could just not bring up my name, unsolicited, time and time again...Explain why you do that...Is it the drugs Danny?...Do you take drugs Danny?
11th February 2008 09:40 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:Cobbler wrote:
Fiji you freak asshole,
Why do you try to be Shitforbrains - YOU ARE Shitforbrains
Welcome to the Monkey House.
11th February 2008 09:40 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Cobbler wrote:
Fiji you freak asshole,
Why do you try to be Shitforbrains - YOU ARE Shitforbrains
Lil' Mookie?
11th February 2008 09:41 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
Or...you could just not bring up my name, unsolicited, time and time again...Explain why you do that...Is it the drugs Danny?...Do you take drugs Danny?
You just happen to be the virtual embodiment of the worst aspects of this on-line community. If you're bothered by that position, convince Telecaster to come back.
11th February 2008 09:41 PM
TampabayStone
11th February 2008 09:47 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
You just happen to be the virtual embodiment of the worst aspects of this on-line community. If you're bothered by that position, convince Telecaster to come back.
Nonetheless...you do what you do...so don't whine like a baby when you get bit...You're just one of those people that needs to hate...one of the many who got their ass handed to them and can't let it drop...You'll tell me I'm wrong, but you know I'm right
11th February 2008 10:05 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
Nonetheless...you do what you do...so don't whine like a baby when you get bit...You're just one of those people that needs to hate...one of the many who got their ass handed to them and can't let it drop...You'll tell me I'm wrong, but you know I'm right
I only hate the haters, and I'm not the only one who recognizes you as chief among them. You should consider the example of Riffhard, who can disagree without being ugly.
11th February 2008 10:19 PM
Fiji Joe
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
I only hate the haters, and I'm not the only one who recognizes you as chief among them. You should consider the example of Riffhard, who can disagree without being ugly.
No...you're one of the many nutjobs who enjoys insulting me even when I don't post and then cry like babies when I post something in return...that's exactly how it plays out no?..You aren't the one to be citing examples of civil discussion...and did you just cite me to Riffy?...really?
No...you do what you do because you don't want to debate me...because you can't...seriously...what you gonna break out in this instance?...the hope card?...the change card?
You lost all credibility with me when you were running around here asking for people's education credentials before you would debate with them...How silly was that?...How silly is that?
Your pattern is to discredit people who disagree with you...and you try to do that in a variety of ways...there's BJ the elitist...there's BJ the victim..."you're a bigot", "you're a racist", etc, etc...you know very well you could drop all this...but you choose not to...because you know what will happen to you if you actually do debate me on the issues...and that's gotta hurt...for someone as "smart" as you
