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| Dan |
It's time for Obama to embrace his white heritage. |
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| pdog |
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pdog...you are so wrong! haven't you heard? michelle obama's brother's next door neighbor once shared a doobie with stokley carmichael at a jackson 5 concert. this makes barack an islamic militant who will devour our children whole.
viva mccain and a hundred more years of war!
this is BS about McCain too. He's a good man, and like Obama loves this country. Hannity tried getting him to buy into this smear about Obama, he rejected it. You might not agree with him, but he's a good man too. Clintons are the only ones, who will destroy anyone, to get and keep power. In that sense, they are exactly like the current admin. |
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| pdog |
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Dan wrote:
It's time for Obama to embrace his white heritage.
No shit. Part white/christian and black muslim... It's better than a WASP/Retard! |
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| Fiji Joe |
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pdog wrote:
Remember that time at refugee camp when the prezees mommy told the niggers to be happy, because they were living better in school gyms and arenas than when they were in their homes...
That kinda talk doesn't count, does it? She couldn't have possibly influenced her own fucking child with that shit...
WHAT _ FUCKING - EVER!!!
LOL..This all you got?...Come stronger than that...or I will seriously embarass you |
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| steel driving hammer |
Zulu President?
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| Fiji Joe |
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It's actually kinda funny to watch you two try and spin this whole deal.
You ain't the only one laughing... |
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| Fiji Joe |
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Dan wrote:
Not this year but I recall Bush sucking up to a similiar fellow to win South Carolina.
I think the fundamental difference being, with this and the McCain stuff, is that neither of these men had long term relationships with these people...and they damn sure didn't claim them to be their spiritual advisor and the inspiration for a book that serves as the entire basis of their outlook on life and their political support...it's not hard to understand |
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| Riffhard |
Put it this way. If John McCain attended a church for twenty years where his minister, and mentor, said that the black man is the root of all evil. That the black man is a monster to be overcome, and other hateful shit. Do you think the liberal media would be burying their collective heads in the sand? Would the "oh so tolerant" liberals just chalk it up as nothing more than some wacky associate?
Think about that and get back to me. LOL!
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| Fiji Joe |
And for the few in this thread that appear to be too fucking retarded to realize that Bush isn't running for president, this baby has something to tell you...
"Pssst...Hey retard...Bush isn't running for president"
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| Fiji Joe |
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Riffhard wrote:
Put it this way. If John McCain attended a church for twenty years where his minister, and mentor, said that the black man is the root of all evil. That the black man is a monster to be overcome, and other hateful shit. Do you think the liberal media would be burying their collective heads in the sand? Would the "oh so tolerant" liberals just chalk it up as nothing more than some wacky associate?
Think about that and get back to me. LOL!
Riffy
But see...McCain is rejecting this smear...that makes it BS...LOL...as if "rejecting" means jack shit...no politician of any salt "accepts" the smear...they don't have to...others will do their bidding for them...now...if McCain comes out publically and states this angle is wrong...well then come talk...I'll bet money he doesn't...unless, of course, he pisses his pants about the bed-fellows he himself has had in the past |
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| AlexKx |
What's astonishing aside from the public not carying, giving a complete pass, and JUSTIFYING this situation but that the Democrate party did not pick up on this a year ago. Even the Republicans should have at this point. This is absolutely insane and horrorfying. Even the media should have picked up on this! Does NO ONE do a background check on the people running for the Presidency of the U.S. of A.?! Uh...do facts matter to anyone?! Hell-the puck-lo?!
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| pdog |
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Riffhard wrote:
It's actually kinda funny to watch you two try and spin this whole deal. I mean Mitt Romney had to give a speech just to explain his religion, yet Obama's minister, a man that he calls his "mentor", shouldn't get a second look?! Very funny. Very telling as well.
This minister says that the USA, "deserved the 9/11 attacks." He claims that the "white American government invented AIDS to kill the black man." He calls the USA, "The US of KKK." He screams "God damn America!" from the pulpit. Yet we aren't being intellectually honest to question why Barrack would spend twenty years absorbing this kind of filth. He exposes his kids to this hate speech and we should just ignore it?! You guys crack me up!!
You love to slam Bush and his relationship with Christ. You slam Romney for his faith, yet this minister is out-of-bounds?!!
Puuuuuleeeeezzzee!
Here ya go fellas.
Riffy
Who said the minister is out of bounds? When did I slam Romney for his retarded religion...? I only slammed Romney for being a rich white guy, who was handed his success from his rich family, and thought that President is a CEO position... fuck that!
Explain to me, how a comment by Georges mom about the refugees from NO, isn't a clear sign of inheireted racism. Gimme a break.
Go one about the preachers comments. Because I can tell you, there's been times when I've said, and even beleived things very much like he's said. And there's many in this country that still belive in free speech, even when it is attacking the very thing that gives you that freedom. Ron Paul has said the very same things in regards to those who hate, attack and plot against the USA. And has made it very clear, that our policies and American backed companies and governments are a big reason why. Let's not marginalize a very complicated argument with soundbites. We're talking about alot of stuff here from slavery to terrorism to human rights here and around the world. hot topics, and all worthy of exteneded debates. And, if this preacher is like me, what he said in 2001, might not be the same today. Regardless, if it is, he's entitled to his opinion, especially if I disagree with him. And when Obama becomes president, Terorist will dance in the streets and come and kill us. |
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| Fiji Joe |
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AlexKx wrote:
What's astonishing aside from the public not carying, giving a complete pass, and JUSTIFYING this situation but that the Democrate party did not pick up on this a year ago. Even the Republicans should have at this point. This absolutely insane and horrorfying. Even the media should have picked up on this! Does NO ONE do a background check on the people running for the Presidency of the U.S. of A.?! Uh...do facts matter to anyone?! Hell-the puck-lo?!
Word...and more amazing that some want to term this a non-issue...WTF?...A big part of that is the media/dems didn't want to find this stuff out...
And you putting this in terms of a "background check" is a good point...no way in hell someone worshipping at that church, and with that man whose anti-american and racist views appear to be well known, gets CIA clearance...yet someone worshipping at that church and who claims this man as their spiritual adviser will, possibly, be in charge of the CIA...can I get a WTF? from ya...??? |
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| pdog |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
And for the few in this thread that appear to be too fucking retarded to realize that Bush isn't running for president, this baby has something to tell you...
"Pssst...Hey retard...Bush isn't running for president"
Doesn't mean alot of people aren't reacting to 7 years of it... He's more relevant to this topic, so don't tell me how to feel. My anger towards his policies, of hate, racism, lies and war is very much a part of the attacks against Obama. Same standards apply!
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| pdog |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Word...and more amazing that some want to term this a non-issue...WTF?...A big part of that is the media/dems didn't want to find this stuff out...
And you putting this in terms of a "background check" is a good point...no way in hell someone worshipping at that church, and with that man whose anti-american and racist views appear to be well known, gets CIA clearance...yet someone worshipping at that church and who claims this man as their spiritual adviser will, possibly, be in charge of the CIA...can I get a WTF? from ya...???
So you're projecting who Obama might appoint is any less relevant than who Bush has tried and appointed? That's funny... |
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| Starbuck |
i reserve the right to giggle at you two behind your back...or to your face...just as i giggle at sean's goofy statements, or our dearly departed fleabit's....
riffy, along with the aforementioned lefties, you are one of the most partisan people on this board. no democrat to you is sane - we're all a bunch of crazy fucktards, isn't that the case? can you, however, not see the forest for the trees? if this were 2004 and i were saying to you that your almighty savior george w bush hangs out with clergymen that tell him god wants him to strike the islamic devils of al quaeda and rid the world of saddam...no wait...bush didn't need a clergyman to tell him that; he done heard it from god hisself...but that's ok.
please show me where obama has himself embraced the "US of KKK" dogma. i must have missed that!
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| Fiji Joe |
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Explain to me, how a comment by Georges mom about the refugees from NO, isn't a clear sign of inheireted racism. Gimme a break.
It a sign of inherited elitism...maybe...and beyond that...it was a stone cold fact
Explain what is racist about the statement and then explain how
And then explain why you bothered to mention it in this thread
Listen to the baby...and then judge your candidates accordingly
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| Fiji Joe |
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pdog wrote:
Doesn't mean alot of people aren't reacting to 7 years of it... He's more relevant to this topic, so don't tell me how to feel. My anger towards his policies, of hate, racism, lies and war is very much a part of the attacks against Obama. Same standards apply!
Yeah...maybe you need to sit this half out...your brain's cramping |
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| pdog |
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Starbuck wrote:
i reserve the right to giggle at you two behind your back...or to your face...just as i giggle at sean's goofy statements, or our dearly departed fleabit's....
riffy, along with the aforementioned lefties, you are one of the most partisan people on this board. no democrat to you is sane - we're all a bunch of crazy fucktards, isn't that the case? can you, however, not see the forest for the trees? if this were 2004 and i were saying to you that your almighty savior george w bush hangs out with clergymen that tell him god wants him to strike the islamic devils of al quaeda and rid the world of saddam...no wait...bush didn't need a clergyman to tell him that; he done heard it from god hisself...but that's ok.
please show me where obama has himself embraced the "US of KKK" dogma. i must have missed that!
Keep in mind, the same pundits and partisans who are up in arms over these Obama related comments, are the same people who have defended every single thing Bush has done. Including the obviously racist events in NO, and the fact that all the $, to put a band aid on it, was just another no0bid contract, that served only those getting the paycheck. And no one wants to look at the racist comment made by Boo-Boo's mommy, and that he might have possibly be raised to be racist, and doesn't even know it. Because denial, and refusal are two different things. Bush is in denial, Bush-geeks (aka Obamanators) are in fucking refusal. Won't even see past dogmatic rhetoric to even possibly question the failures, and accept the consequences of those failures. It's move forward, at all costs!!! literally, any cost, especially in the war in Iraq... Spend, spend. Mistakes wrre made, but, we are throwing money on it, tons of money, and we won't hesitate to think, maybe we need to examine or correct the huge mistakes... Victory, money, fear... FEAR... You will die! no money for our healthcare, we just built a hospital in Iraq, it cost 20 million, and it serves no one! Yet, god forbid you're kid gets a check up or a school music program, you socialist scum! Freedominize, Iraqicize those terrorists away!
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| Fiji Joe |
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pdog wrote:
So you're projecting who Obama might appoint is any less relevant than who Bush has tried and appointed? That's funny...
Dude...if you're going to get riled up on THIS issue, at least pay attention...I was obviously referring to Obama himself and not any speculative CIA appointment...stay on point
If you have some opinion as to why it's insignificant that Obama's spiritual adviser and inspiration is anti-american and racist, share it...I'll listen...but these BS non-sequiturs you're throwing out are starting to make you look like 1) you're just trying to piss me off; or 2) you've had too much coffee and can't quite follow along |
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| pdog |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Listen to the baby...and then judge your candidates accordingly
The baby is saying, why won't I get a decent education and why is granpa being denied healthcare!
Fiji, your Bush Geekeness is showing! |
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| Fiji Joe |
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Starbuck wrote:
i reserve the right to giggle at you two behind your back...or to your face...just as i giggle at sean's goofy statements, or our dearly departed fleabit's....
You should giggle...you're absolutely in the minority of your thinking on this issue and further, you can't begin to defend this association in any rational way...I know it...and deep down you do too...just as you can't set forth any rational reason you were pimping this guy in the first place...I've asked you many times to do that...and every time you ignored me...so shoot...you've been backing this guy for a long time...why? |
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| Fiji Joe |
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pdog wrote:
The baby is saying, why won't I get a decent education and why is granpa being denied healthcare!
Fiji, your Bush Geekeness is showing!
Actually, he's telling grandpa to get a fucking job...and asking him why the mayor is offering to educate every illegal alien out there when my daddy has to pay for school supplies
Pdog...your Ron Paul is showing
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Dude...if you're going to get riled up on THIS issue, at least pay attention...I was obviously referring to Obama himself and not any speculative CIA appointment...stay on point
If you have some opinion as to why it's insignificant that Obama's spiritual adviser and inspiration is anti-american and racist, share it...I'll listen...but these BS non-sequiturs you're throwing out are starting to make you look like 1) you're just trying to piss me off; or 2) you've had too much coffee and can't quite follow along
You're wrong. I'm not on your issue. you've gone on and on about Obama. I'm worried about my country, you're concerned with being right!
You don't like non-sequitars. I am a non sequitar. You should know that by now.
If you hate Obama, and all those who influence him, fine by me. I don't care about the preacher, I don't care b/c, I too have felt very simular things to what he said. And it is okay for a person to speak their mind. I don't agree with him, and i don't follow him. I also know I am not a product of people like him, in my life. I form my own views, and those views change. And, the relevance to Bush Momy, is simple, if you are raised by a racist or elitist, than you might possbily become one. And if you go to a church, it might influence you, but your parents will have morei nfluence. not a non sequitar, IMO, I made a very relevant point, to the topic, seeing as how one man is president and the other running for... you still mad? |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Actually, he's telling grandpa to get a fucking job...and asking him why the mayor is offering to educate every illegal alien out there when my daddy has to pay for school supplies
Pdog...your Ron Paul is showing
your eliteness is showing! |
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you can't begin to defend this association in any rational way...I know it...and deep down you do too...just as you can't set forth any rational reason you were pimping this guy in the first place.....
wow...deep...thanks for the psychoanalysis!
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pdog wrote:
Keep in mind, the same pundits and partisans who are up in arms over these Obama related comments, are the same people who have defended every single thing Bush has done.
Are you going to address the point that was raised in this thread?...Can you?...Will you?...You can start a bush-bashing thread...nothing prevents you...but this thread was entitled "Obama's Church"...and was speaking to a very VERY narrow issue...Personally, I can't see any way he can distance himself from this...at worst, he agrees with his pastors thinking...at best, he displays very poor judgment and has to explain why, after years of this kinda speech from his pastor (it's not a new phenomenon), he didn't distance himself from this man a long time ago |
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| pdog |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Are you going to address the point that was raised in this thread?...Can you?...Will you?...You can start a bush-bashing thread...nothing prevents you...but this thread was entitled "Obama's Church"...and was speaking to a very VERY narrow issue...Personally, I can't see any way he can distance himself from this...at worst, he agrees with his pastors thinking...at best, he displays very poor judgment and has to explain why, after years of this kinda speech from his pastor (it's not a new phenomenon), he didn't distance himself from this man a long time ago
How the hell should I know why? Why is he running for president? Why did his mom die? Why did he quit smoking? |
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| Fiji Joe |
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pdog wrote:
You're wrong. I'm not on your issue. you've gone on and on about Obama. I'm worried about my country, you're concerned with being right!
You don't like non-sequitars. I am a non sequitar. You should know that by now.
If you hate Obama, and all those who influence him, fine by me. I don't care about the preacher, I don't care b/c, I too have felt very simular things to what he said. And it is okay for a person to speak their mind. I don't agree with him, and i don't follow him. I also know I am not a product of people like him, in my life. I form my own views, and those views change. And, the relevance to Bush Momy, is simple, if you are raised by a racist or elitist, than you might possbily become one. And if you go to a church, it might influence you, but your parents will have morei nfluence. not a non sequitar, IMO, I made a very relevant point, to the topic, seeing as how one man is president and the other running for... you still mad?
I'm not mad...but why bother with Bush?...It's McCain or Obama...you said it...you're worried about your country...Bush IS a non-sequitur at this point...If you had dirt on him, you should have brought that up on 2000 or 2004
There are two candidates to choose from...I'm impressed by neither...but this notion of attending an afro-centric church led by a man of this character being an insignificant, or bias led issue, boggles my mind...
Let me put it to you this way...an example
If Obama told you he had been attending NAMBLA meeting for the last 20 years, would you let your sons go over to his house for a sleep over?
Like I said...you can't tell me Obama wasn't aware of his pastor's rhetoric...so best case scenario for Obama is, he knew what kind of man this was, but still put money in his hat on Sundays...and that's still a pretty shitty scenario
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Are you going to address the point that was raised in this thread?...Can you?...Will you?...You can start a bush-bashing thread...nothing prevents you...but this thread was entitled "Obama's Church"...and was speaking to a very VERY narrow issue...Personally, I can't see any way he can distance himself from this...at worst, he agrees with his pastors thinking...at best, he displays very poor judgment and has to explain why, after years of this kinda speech from his pastor (it's not a new phenomenon), he didn't distance himself from this man a long time ago
He has now btw... and why he didn't a long time ago... Did you ever go to a black church? This is what happens in them every sunday, not all, but many. And if you don't know that, take a month of Sundays to check them out. Why does this not bother me. Probably b/c I'm white. Or probably because I can somewhat understand the anger. I also, disagree with the means, and realize, I can't change anyone, so i move on. Most importantly, this is an issue, that is only an issue to attack Obama. It's not an issue to actually discuss what goes behind, and the events that created these feeling in people. I'm white. I will always be white, and being white is an advantage, and I know it. I also have many, many prejudices, and many of those are towards black people and things I see in the way thier community functions. I don't deny it, and i'm not ashamed for it. In fact, I embrace it, and I speak it openly, and often..more and more. And, I must allow blacks, to do the same, whether I agree with them or not! |
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