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Live in '05!
(New York City -- March 5, 2004) The Stones are gathering in Paris this week to begin discussing their next tour. Right now, it looks like it's a discussion of when to tour, not whether to tour. (As Ronnie said in New York last week, "We have to clear the engine room first. We have to clear Charlie first. If he's willing, I think the rest of us will be." And right now, Charlie seems willing.)
Theoretically, they could launch a tour as early as this fall. But, in all likelihood, they'll wait until the first quarter of 2005. The weather could determine what part of the country (or world) they start. The Stones loved the multiple-venue concept of their "Licks" tour (meaning, a theater show, an arena show, and a stadium show in the same city during the same week), so it's probably the way they're gonna go.
Keith is also hoping to get the band back into the studio. It'll probably happen, perhaps as soon as May or June. But even if Keith gets voted down, the band has enough material in the can (just from their 2002 Paris sessions) to satiate the most discriminating of Stones fans. One way or another, they're gonna tour behind a new disc.
Of course, if you're jonesing for a Stones fix and can't wait another eight months or a year, you can always investigate the Stones' imminent solo projects and guest appearances.
Charlie will bring his jazz band, the Charlie Watts Tentet, to the legendary Ronnie Scott's jazz club in London. He'll be there every night, from April 5th to the 17th (with the exception of Easter Sunday, the 11th). Highly recommended.
Ronnie will also be performing in London next month. One night only, at the April 8th tribute concert for his old Faces mate, the late Ronnie Lane. It'll take place at Royal Albert Hall. Chris Jagger, Ian McLagan, and Pete Townshend will also be on hand. Woody, you should note, has been keeping his chops together. In December, he made guest appearances at concerts by Sheryl Crow and the Stereophonics (both in London), and, just last week (February 26), he surprised New Yorkers by turning up at Rod Stewart's Madison Square Garden concert to guest on "Stay With Me."
Sticking with the New York theme: Keith will appear at the annual Rock 'N' Roll Hall Of Fame ceremony later this month. He's gonna help induct ZZ Top into the Hall, before taking part in the usual all-star jam at the end of the night. It's all going down at New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on March 15. (You can catch it on VH1 come March 21.) Keith can also be heard on the upcoming "True Love" CD, a tribute to his beloved Toots & The Maytals. Keith plays acoustic guitar (with Toots) on the track, "Careless Ethiopians." It hits stores April 6.
Mick's been tooling around Milan, Paris, and London lately. You can catch his guest appearance on Jerry Lee Lewis's upcoming CD, "Old Glory." Mick sings back-up (and Ronnie plays slide) on The Killer's rendition of "Evening Gown," a song written by Mick. Keith will also appear on the disc.
Watch this page for further Stones developments.
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| souldoggie |
Great news. And a great source. |
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| marko |
Indeed,this is "official" i would say,,,,. |
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| gotdablouse |
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Keith is also hoping to get the band back into the studio. It'll probably happen, perhaps as soon as May or June. But even if Keith gets voted down, the band has enough material in the can (just from their 2002 Paris sessions) to satiate the most discriminating of Stones fans. One way or another, they're gonna tour behind a new disc.
Great news, but this part is a bit odd...Mick's been the one pushing for new material over the years and this makes it sound like right now he's not in favour of a spell in the studio. I can't think of a good reason Bill German would know what Keith thinks and not Mick, he probably doesn't want to spell it out.
I'm also curious about the "satiate" part, has he heard the material? From the crap they put on FF and the lack of enthusiasm about the material (except the PR push for Licks in 2002) recently, this raises questions too.
Something doesn't quite jive here, but I guess the main thing is that they will indeed tour behind a new album and will therefore get my money in the process ;-) |
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| Some Guy |
Very cool indeed, they have some good shit, I bet. They were just holding out. I can't wait. Let's roll... and rock! |
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| LadyJane |
I'm not getting into the fray about new material. Sure, I'd love to see a new album and I really don't think they'd tour without one. I just want to see another Tour because, quite frankly, time is NOT on their sides anymore.  
LJ.
A smile at the thought of seeing them live.
A frown for the sadness I feel. This really could be the last time. |
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| Monkey Woman |
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One way or another, they're gonna tour behind a new disc.
Two good news rolled into one! A tour next year AND a new album. The fan's dream!  From what Bill German writes, they might either write new tunes from scratch or pull a Tattoo You number and dust up demos from their 40 years of vaults, or of course a bit of both. Very tantalizing news, anyway.
Incidentally, it reminds me of something Doc Stones (a French fan) said to me last month: he talked to Michael Cohl at the end of the Licks tour and Cohl told him the Stones would take an 18 month break between Licks and a new tour, but that they definitely intended to tour in the near future. Just as it says in the BG's article. 
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| Sir Stonesalot |
You know, I still don't understand why people thought that "Well, Well" & "Extreme Western Grip" were going to be new, complete, polished songs. Nowhere in any official promo material was this claimed by the Stones. They were refered to as "unreleased material" and as "studio tracks". Both desriptions are completely accurate. If you interpreted that as something else, then you goofed.
However, where I did see those tracks refered to as "songs" was on some "insider" fan posts. So if you bought what was being sold by "insider" fans, instead of the official line, then you goofed.
Personally, I thought Well, Well & Extreme Western Grip were kinda cool. It was neat to see the guys all together in the same room of the studio, jammin around and having some fun. If you expected more, then that was on you. The Rolling Stones never promised anything different than what they delivered.
As for a new album...I'm not expecting Exile Part II, I'm not even expecting Some Girls Reprised or Return To Tatoo You. In fact, I'm only expecting a few good tunes and a bunch of filler. I was just talking to FPM about this yesterday. I don't think the Rolling Stones will put out an album that compares to the quality of Dylan's "Time Out Of Mind" or "Love And Theft", unless Mick & Keith go back to writing songs TOGETHER. If the Glimmers don't soon start being Twins again, we'll get another "Bridges To Babylon" type album. I, personally, do not see Mick and Keith getting back to that. Hence my expectations are very low.
But here is hoping that they get back out on the road soon. I'm ready for YOTI II. |
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| T&A |
SSA:
dead on. the FF tracks were merely designed to get us a view into the recording "process" not give us any new tunes, per se.
I think that there are likely a handful of already completed tracks from those sessions that were readied for an eventual new album. And, don't for a minute think that we've already heard the best of them on the Forty Licks cuts - why would they "waste" the best on a compilation album?
Those, plus leftover tracks from earlier sessions/eras could easily amount to a new album being pulled together in time for the fall/xmas season with the tour to ensue. quality? anyone's guess - but, no, there's nothing left in them approximately the glory years of the seventies. That, you can be assured. |
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| Moonisup |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
I, personally, do not see Mick and Keith getting back to that.
even Charlie wants that,
but as we all know, that will never happen again
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| IanBillen |
-Any Chance of a Double Album or am I nuts?-
Bill German is as good as a source as you can get. He is real good friends with Keith and 80% of what he has posted in the past few years has been dead on. Nobody truely knows what plans are 100%. Not even the Stones for that matter. After this week there will be definate concrete plans. Then they just have to be put into action. I hope they spend some quality time in the studio again. A couple months would be nice. On top of what they have from the last Paris sessions and all the recordings they have done on tour compiled with a few more months of quality Studio time they will then have a shitload of new stuff. Is this a silly question: Is there a possiblity of a double album ever again from the Stones???
Is financially feasable these days? Will people try to compare it to Exile too much? Is it a silly thought? I know getting a new album out of them lately has been like pulling teeth but it has been so long since a studio effort. Is it at all possible that this is being looked at as an option for the upcoming plans? Am I crazy for wondering if it is a possibilty in the cards with the plans they are about to discuss? Just wondering if it is even worth considering for them these days.
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| Sir Stonesalot |
A double album?? Do you mean on vinyl? Or do you mean a double CD?
Technically Voodoo Lounge was a double album...4 sides of vinyl. And I think we can all agree, it would have been a much stronger album boiled down to just 2 sides.
I can't see the Stones doing a double album...well, I can see it and it doesn't look very good. IMO, better to just stick to 10-12 tunes and only subject us to 5 or 6 filler songs. |
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| IanBillen |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
A double album?? Do you mean on vinyl? Or do you mean a double CD?
Technically Voodoo Lounge was a double album...4 sides of vinyl. And I think we can all agree, it would have been a much stronger album boiled down to just 2 sides.
I can't see the Stones doing a double album...well, I can see it and it doesn't look very good. IMO, better to just stick to 10-12 tunes and only subject us to 5 or 6 filler songs.
I was reffereing to a Double CD yes. A new CD is still considered a new "Album" in the industry. Kinda like a cola product might be reffered to as a "Coke" even though it is really RC inside the glass. Or a cotton swab on a stick is reffered to as simply a "Q-Tip" even though a Q-Tip is an actual brand of cotton swabs on a stick. An new CD can, still be reffered to as "A new album"
Voodoo's vinyl Brew and Stew were not commercial releases and were just a special Tokens for fans or people that were interested. None of the major retailers carried it in their catalog. Those items contained material that couldn't pass as album material. Although it was very interesting indeed.
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| T&A |
there's no point in putting out a double album (2cd) in this day and age. personally, i'd rather see a solid 45-minute disc than a disc of 75 minutes with 30 minutes of it just to fill space. that's what happened with their last two efforts and the "extras" weighed the albums down. If they can muster up 45 minutes of half-way decent tunes, I'd be more than happy (and a tad surprised). |
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| IanBillen |
quote:
T&A wrote:
there's no point in putting out a double album (2cd) in this day and age. personally, i'd rather see a solid 45-minute disc than a disc of 75 minutes with 30 minutes of it just to fill space. that's what happened with their last two efforts and the "extras" weighed the albums down. If they can muster up 45 minutes of half-way decent tunes, I'd be more than happy (and a tad surprised).
I see. I don't think Bridges was weighed down. Voodoo maybe could of done without a few tracks but I like Voodoo better than Bridges. I really think they can put out a super album if they would just put the time in and stop working against time constrints and solo interests. For example=Take six months off and give it your all. If The Stones get the proper producer/or producers and pour their hearts into it with the proper time invested I think they can do it. I would rather wait an extra three months on a really good album than have an album 3 or 4 months earlier that is just decent. I hope they realize this is the view point of most people |
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| Soul Survivor |
...And dont be afraid to let those guitars rip us a new asshole... |
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| corgi37 |
A nice tight cd with about 10-11 songs would be fine. Back to basics Stones rawk n rowl. No Keef ballad, no disco wannabe, no Goddamn reggae, no technical wizardry and cut down on the guests. |
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| gotdablouse |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
I was just talking to FPM about this yesterday. I don't think the Rolling Stones will put out an album that compares to the quality of Dylan's "Time Out Of Mind" or "Love And Theft", unless Mick & Keith go back to writing songs TOGETHER. If the Glimmers don't soon start being Twins again, we'll get another "Bridges To Babylon" type album. I, personally, do not see Mick and Keith getting back to that. Hence my expectations are very low.
That's what they did for Voodoo Lounge and it didn't make for a very convincing album, compared to, say B2B. It could also be that Was's picks and production just dulled it out by dropping the more interesting/unusual material that surfaced on Stew/Brew/Residue. |
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| beer |
bridges was, over all, a piece of crap in my opinion.except for a couple songs.
i thought voodoo lounge was really great. but i did hate the production on it. there was absolutely no "rawness" to it. there hasn't been in a long time.
"Tattoo You". the last great Stones album. there's no way jagger will ever go back to a true sounding rock record. that is why we are left with Leavell keyboards and sterile production. blech!! |
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| zebulon |
Hi folks,
first: these news are confirmations of a kind I think are one of the BEST news I read about in years ...
Concerning "Well, Well" & "Extreme Western Grip" - I could enjoy 4 DVD full of stuff like that, really! This is all about what the Stones are to me: pick up chords, Charlie laying thr groove and off you go. It's so cool to see & hear the guys jamming - very simple, very basic, no gimmics, very pure: I just love it!
About Bill German's news: He writes "Woody, you should note, has been keeping his chops together." - well, that's nice, but it doesn't ssay anything about Ronnies recent problems ('Woody throws gallery tantrum', 'Back on the
bottle'). I only hope, it's not that bad, as I fear it could be.
cheers,
zebulon
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| zebulon |
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beer wrote:
"Tattoo You". the last great Stones album. there's no way jagger will ever go back to a true sounding rock record. that is why we are left with Leavell keyboards and sterile production. blech!!
Well, that's an opinion, ok. Nevertheless, it's not surprising that others (like me) do find B2B quite good, stoneswise.
But let's face it: after doing Fourty Licks, the boys just can't do another compilation. I think they have to go for something new. Ain't that something nice to wait for?
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| gotdablouse |
B2B a "piece of crap"...hum that's not going to make for a very interesting discussion!
The good news is that on B2B, they didn't use Chuck "Bland MOR" Leavel, hence maybe the more interesting sound! I do think they had Billy Preston playing, that's what they need to do for the next one.
While I have collected all the studio stuff over the years http://juiced.hypermart.net/ and have become a specialist of sorts, I certainly would not listen to 4 CDs of EWG and Well, Well, actually I only watched them once. Like I wrote at the time, I can't recall anything quite as uninteresting on a bootleg, even the Rotterdam 75 stuff! I think they did this to discourage the casual fan to go out and buy bootlegs ;-) |
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| Monkey Woman |
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zebulon wrote:
About Bill German's news: He writes "Woody, you should note, has been keeping his chops together." - well, that's nice, but it doesn't ssay anything about Ronnies recent problems ('Woody throws gallery tantrum', 'Back on the
bottle'). I only hope, it's not that bad, as I fear it could be.
cheers,
zebulon
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The "gallery tantrum" thing was, from the opinion of witnesses at Shidoobee, wildly overblown in typical tabloid fashion. In fact, he did voice disagreement about the way his art was presented, and was even a bit sarcastic but he did'nt blow his top, far from it. The other problem is more disturbing. But the article which brought up the topic (of his beeing back on the bottle) also quoted friends of Ron, who said that it wasn't so bad when he was working with the Stones, because then he had people around him to help him keep disciplined and that regular work was also a kind of lifeline. So maybe, the upcoming album and tour will help keep Woody on track... At least we can hope so. |
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| Stray Cat UK |
I've said it before - I know Mick had problems with him on the ''Wandering Spirit'' album (by far his best solo),but I think Rick Rubin could be the man for the Stones.
His work with AC/DC AND Johnny Cash was superb,showing an ability to get back to the raw,original sound of his 'subjects'.
11 tracks with 1 Keith rocker............is it too much to ask?
Let's hope they have one great album left in them.
IMHO, Don Was blew it on Voodoo Lounge.It could have been fantastic. |
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| Monkey Woman |
It's true, Rick Rubin could do a fantastic job with the Stones, if only...
I don't want to knock Don Was, he sounds like a decent guy, he's a fan and friend of the band, after all! And he does have a good working relationship with them. He can insist that that Mick, for instance, write the lyrics to the B-sides to the VL singles, after a day of working. He must have felt Mick was in the mood to deliver the goods, though Mick himself didn't feel like it, and we got "Jump On Top Of Me", "The Storm" and "I'm Gonna Drive". And he encouraged the Stones to experiment a little with their sound, with the way they use instruments. Charlie, for one, did great thing when he put his drums in the stairway!
But see what happened on B2B. It was Keith who wanted simply to go on with Don Was. Mick was eager to try new producers, new methods and moods. The result is maybe not as good as an album as VL, but there are some great songs on it. Flip The Switch, Saint Of Me, Out Of Control, Already OVer Me, the three Keith songs... Most of them work well live, too!
So for the next album, we can perhaps expect anything. Don Was? Rick Rubin? Someone they already worked with, like Steve Lillywhite? A new contender entirely? Or the Glimmer Twins and no-one else? They may even, if they wanted to give in to nostalgia, ask Andrew Loog Oldham. But then, sparks would fly...  |
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| T&A |
Here's an idea:
How about draggin' out the acoustic guitars for the new album? No...on second thought, they might wind up with another Beggars Banquet or some shit like that! :-) |
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| marko |
Get Chris Kimsey back. |
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| beer |
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marko wrote:
Get Chris Kimsey back.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| zebulon |
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While I have collected all the studio stuff over the years http://juiced.hypermart.net/ and have become a specialist of sorts, I certainly would not listen to 4 CDs of EWG and Well, Well, actually I only watched them once. Like I wrote at the time, I can't recall anything quite as uninteresting on a bootleg, even the Rotterdam 75 stuff! I think they did this to discourage the casual fan to go out and buy bootlegs ;-)
Ok, just a matter of taste, I think, nothing universally valid...
I just love these outtakes; like I love the boot 'Paris Outtakes' ...
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| zebulon |
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Monkey Woman wrote:
The "gallery tantrum" thing was, from the opinion of witnesses at Shidoobee, wildly overblown in typical tabloid fashion.
Well, thanks, that's relieving!
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The other problem is more disturbing. But the article which brought up the topic (of his beeing back on the bottle) also quoted friends of Ron, who said that it wasn't so bad when he was working with the Stones, because then he had people around him to help him keep disciplined and that regular work was also a kind of lifeline.
True. So, another tour seems like medecine ... :-)
But, if he can't stay sober, he will not only loose his family, but the tour and the Stones, too, right?
I must try to send Woody all the best energy and hope I have. Actually, there's no alternative, like Keith in the end of the 70ies, beginning of the 80ies. |
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