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Just shut your trap and keep still Monkey!
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The MSNBC.com online version of the Williams story: www.msnbc.msn.com
At the end of his newscast, Williams stood at an outside location with Engel and Downey, as he noted how they felt safe enough to remove their bullet-proof vests. Engel explained the decrease in violence from Al-Sadr's insurgents in Sadr City:
"Some say they are just waiting to see how long the U.S. will stay and how long this surge will continue. It was obvious, the U.S. announced the surge, they said where the U.S. troops were going and the militia decided they fought the U.S. two-and-a-half years ago, didn't have a lot of success. They decided this time they're going to wait it out, see if political pressure in the U.S. can help them win this time."
Brian Williams: "And General, you and I heard sentiments we don't often hear today, the U.S. commanders quoting the Iraqis: 'please don't leave us.' And a lot of the U.S. fighters there today said they didn't want to leave this fight, they are dedicated to it."
Retired General Wayne Downing: "Brian, every single one of them, I ran into a lot of officers and NCOs that I served with -- every soldier that I ran across today I asked him: 'How do you feel about what's going on, what do you know about what is going on back in the states?' And without exception -- this was spontaneous, especially when you start talking to PFCs and Spec 4s, they're going to tell you the truth, no party line. Very proud of what they're doing. Very, very dedicated. Many of these guys, Brian, are back here on their second and third tours. These are one-year tours. Extremely well trained and very professional."
LOL!
Yes, the Dirty Liberal Media and the dems in congress will take it from here Al Qaeda! |
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Maxlugar wrote:
The MSNBC.com online version of the Williams story: www.msnbc.msn.com
At the end of his newscast, Williams stood at an outside location with Engel and Downey, as he noted how they felt safe enough to remove their bullet-proof vests. Engel explained the decrease in violence from Al-Sadr's insurgents in Sadr City:
"Some say they are just waiting to see how long the U.S. will stay and how long this surge will continue. It was obvious, the U.S. announced the surge, they said where the U.S. troops were going and the militia decided they fought the U.S. two-and-a-half years ago, didn't have a lot of success. They decided this time they're going to wait it out, see if political pressure in the U.S. can help them win this time."
Brian Williams: "And General, you and I heard sentiments we don't often hear today, the U.S. commanders quoting the Iraqis: 'please don't leave us.' And a lot of the U.S. fighters there today said they didn't want to leave this fight, they are dedicated to it."
Retired General Wayne Downing: "Brian, every single one of them, I ran into a lot of officers and NCOs that I served with -- every soldier that I ran across today I asked him: 'How do you feel about what's going on, what do you know about what is going on back in the states?' And without exception -- this was spontaneous, especially when you start talking to PFCs and Spec 4s, they're going to tell you the truth, no party line. Very proud of what they're doing. Very, very dedicated. Many of these guys, Brian, are back here on their second and third tours. These are one-year tours. Extremely well trained and very professional."
LOL!
Yes, the Dirty Liberal Media and the dems in congress will take it from here Al Qaeda!
Maxy .........................................
The insurgents in Iraq know something that WE also know but will NOT acknowledge --- and that is one day we will go home and then they can re-build , re-form , re-group and take over the entire country .
" We can not keep spending four billion dollars a friggin WEEK over in that Sandbox Ronnie ! "
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
Why ?!
WHY ?!
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| jb |
The mission changes colors like a chameleon in summer-whatever it takes to rationalize the righties excuses/lies for still being there..Lets see, no WMD's, no democracy, no stability, Iran gaining more power and influence, China in a frightening arms build-up and Russia (I trust his soul Putin) threatening the eastern block if we put in defense shields...yep, this has worked out marvelously. Bush and his supporters must be really proud... and please don't forgot to buy those "Support the Troops" magnets made in China...
P.S.-maybe that sexy bitch reading body language on O'Riley
can read what my boner is thinking whenever I see her.
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| Joey |
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Maxlugar wrote:
The Joey is a living legend
that's right !
Maxy ?!
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jb wrote:
The mission changes colors like a chameleon in summer-whatever it takes to rationalize the righties excuses/lies for still being there..Lets see, no WMD's, no democracy, no stability, Iran gaining more power and influence, China in a frightening arms build-up and Russia (I trust his soul Putin) threatening the eastern block if we put in defense shields...yep, this has worked out marvelously. Bush and his supporters must be really proud... and please don't forgot to buy those "Support the Troops" magnets made in China...
[Edited by jb]
I guess we see success differently, old pal.
I see the Twin Towers and Pentagon hit by 767's before we went on the offensive. Nothing since. Did you think we'd go 5.5 years without something like that happening again when you woke up on 9/12/01?
Say what you want about Bush, but taking the fight to them has worked out great for us. God bless all the soldiers over there giving their lives so we can be safe. They believe in their job and are coping with the negative liberals and scheming Dirty Liberal Media. |
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Maxlugar wrote:
I guess we see success differently, old pal.
I see the Twin Towers and Pentagon hit by 767's before we went on the offensive. Nothing since. Did you think we'd go 5.5 years without something like that happening again when you woke up on 9/12/01?
Say what you want about Bush, but taking the fight to them has worked out great for us. God bless all the soldiers over there giving their lives so we can be safe. They believe in their job and are coping with the negative liberals and scheming Dirty Liberal Media.
Thanks for calling me "Pal"......as I see it, the initial response in Afghanistan was brilliant. The whole world, even France , was with us. The invasion of Iraq , however, has proven to be an unmitigated disaster with no way out. As far as the troops, a lot of liberal blood has also spilled in Iraq. And as far as supporting the troops, there should be mandatory service by all males 18-25 so the burden is not so heavy on the poor and rural .
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| monkey_man |
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Maxlugar wrote:
scheming Dirty Liberal Media.
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
Ties That Bind
An Assortment of Interlocking Interests
This section of the Media & War Resource Center examines eight of the largest media companies in the U.S. for potential conflicts and connections with the U.S. military and the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan: Clear Channel, Disney, Gannett, General Electric, the New York Times Co., News Corp., TimeWarner and CBS Corp. (formerly Viacom). Select one of the companies from the menu to see a partial listing of each conglomerate's media holdings, and documents the overlapping interests of its board members, executives, owners and other controlling parties.
Many of the men and women who run America's largest news media outlets have ties to other corporations and to various government officials and politicians. These ties take several forms and structures:
• Cross-Ownership. The conglomerates that own some of the world's largest news outlets also own companies that profit directly from war. The classic example of this is NBC's parent company, General Electric, which builds engines for F-16 fighter planes and Apeche helicopters used by the U.S. military.
• Boards of Directors. Directors that oversee the operations of major news corporations often also serve on the boards of other companies. As directors, their purpose is to maximize the profits of each company they direct. Whenever a potential news story threatens the potential profits of another company that one of the board members sit on, there is a conflict of interests.
• Friends and Colleagues. Many directors of the nation's television networks, radio stations, newspapers and maazines have personal friendships and/or business relationships with the president and other members of the Bush aministration. Media owners and executives also gain financially from favorable telecommunications regulations and other policies set by their associates in government.
• Advertising. Although not a particular focus of this project, it should go without saying that many of the advertisers who provide major sources of revenue for the media business—oil companies, banks, military contractors—stand to gain considerably from wars in Iraq and elsewhere. Other advertisers certainly look forward to the ability to enter new markets
These overlapping, sometimes interlocking interests have a great potential to create conflicts whenever someone stands to profit—financially or politically—from war and military activity. Are the people in charge of America's media outlets duty-bound to provide "balanced" and "objective" pictures of war through their news programming, or are they duty-bound to maximize shareholder profits and to advance their own political agendas?
Traditional journalistic standards would argue that the media's role is one of government watchdog. But this role for journalists has been put in peril by, among other things, the increasing consolidation of media ownership into the hands of fewer and fewer corporations.
Obvious conflicts can be found in number of areas:
• Military Contractors . Through cross-ownership and diectorships, many media outlets have ties to war profiteers. For example, Gannett Chairman, President and CEO Douglas McCorkindale also serves on the board of missile-producer Lockheed Martin.
• Government. Many media directors once worked in government positions that put them in close contact with many of today's government's leading war advocates. For example, Viet Dinh, a Georgetown Law professor who sits on News Corp.'s board, is a former Assistant Attorney General and foreign policy adviser for President Bush. According to the Georgetown website he "played a key role in developing the USA Patriot Act and revising the Attorney General's Guidelines."
• Political. Many media higher-ups have other connections to members of the Bush administration. For example, Tom Hicks, former Vice Chair of Clear Channel is a long-time friend and contributor of George W. Bush. Bush made millions of dollars when Hicks purchased the Texas Rangers in 1998 and the two were also at the center of a University of Texas investment scandal.
• Finance. Some of the people who control media corporations also control companies that finance military contractors and other corporations involved in the rebuilding of Iraq. William Kennard, a board member at the New York Times Co., is not only a former FCC Chairman, but also sits on the board at the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm that has invested billions of dollars in the aerospace and defense industry. This type of connection is not uncommon among board members of these media companies.
• Think Tanks. Some media owners and directors are members of pro-military think tanks that pushed for an invasion of Iraq long before 2003. For instance, Time Warner board member Carla Hills is a trustee at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and serves as the Vice Chair at the Council of Foreign Relations, two conservative think tanks that focus on foreign policy and defense.
• Oil Companies. Almost all mainstream media companies profit from the advertising dollars of oil corporations which have a vested interest in both Iraq and Afghanistan. TimeWarner Chairman and CEO previously held both those positions at ChevronTexaco. Current Chevron board members include Carla Hills and General Electric director and former U.S. Senator Sam Nunn.
Of course, the types of conflicts detailed above are by no means a problem exclusive to the eight conglomerates examined here. The pattern of interlocking corporate boards of directors, for instance, is one that extends far and wide. Most mainstream news media are in some way connected with those businesses and politicians that stand to profit most from U.S. wars.
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jb wrote:
Thanks for calling me "Pal"......as I see it, the initial response in Afghanistan was brilliant. The whole world, even France , was with us. The invasion of Iraq , however, has proven to be an unmitigated disaster with no way out. As far as the troops, a lot of liberal blood has also spilled in Iraq. And as far as supporting the troops, there should be mandatory service by all males 18-25 so the burden is not so heavy on the poor and rural .
Well, as you know, sometimes great nations like us and Israel must take decisive action on our own. The UN and some of its members were awash in oil for food money or in bed with Saddam for other reasons (see France telling Saddam right up until the invasion that they would stop us from doing so). So the war lasted 23 days , Saddam was captured and hung, ten's of millions of Iraqi's risked their lives to go vote in elections three times. This is not to say things haven't hit a rough spot but we are adjusting. The biggest problem, in my eyes, was the Bush administration has no clue about how to communicate the vision and successes made. Clinton and Reagan would have flooded the media with their accomplishments. This war is being played in the media in part. Fence sitting Iraqi's do not want to help unless they know we are staying. This is where the dems in congress have made a huge mistake.
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monkey_man wrote:
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
Ties That Bind
An Assortment of Interlocking Interests
This section of the Media & War Resource Center examines eight of the largest media companies in the U.S. for potential conflicts and connections with the U.S. military and the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan: Clear Channel, Disney, Gannett, General Electric, the New York Times Co., News Corp., TimeWarner and CBS Corp. (formerly Viacom). Select one of the companies from the menu to see a partial listing of each conglomerate's media holdings, and documents the overlapping interests of its board members, executives, owners and other controlling parties.
Many of the men and women who run America's largest news media outlets have ties to other corporations and to various government officials and politicians. These ties take several forms and structures:
• Cross-Ownership. The conglomerates that own some of the world's largest news outlets also own companies that profit directly from war. The classic example of this is NBC's parent company, General Electric, which builds engines for F-16 fighter planes and Apeche helicopters used by the U.S. military.
• Boards of Directors. Directors that oversee the operations of major news corporations often also serve on the boards of other companies. As directors, their purpose is to maximize the profits of each company they direct. Whenever a potential news story threatens the potential profits of another company that one of the board members sit on, there is a conflict of interests.
• Friends and Colleagues. Many directors of the nation's television networks, radio stations, newspapers and maazines have personal friendships and/or business relationships with the president and other members of the Bush aministration. Media owners and executives also gain financially from favorable telecommunications regulations and other policies set by their associates in government.
• Advertising. Although not a particular focus of this project, it should go without saying that many of the advertisers who provide major sources of revenue for the media business—oil companies, banks, military contractors—stand to gain considerably from wars in Iraq and elsewhere. Other advertisers certainly look forward to the ability to enter new markets
These overlapping, sometimes interlocking interests have a great potential to create conflicts whenever someone stands to profit—financially or politically—from war and military activity. Are the people in charge of America's media outlets duty-bound to provide "balanced" and "objective" pictures of war through their news programming, or are they duty-bound to maximize shareholder profits and to advance their own political agendas?
Traditional journalistic standards would argue that the media's role is one of government watchdog. But this role for journalists has been put in peril by, among other things, the increasing consolidation of media ownership into the hands of fewer and fewer corporations.
Obvious conflicts can be found in number of areas:
• Military Contractors . Through cross-ownership and diectorships, many media outlets have ties to war profiteers. For example, Gannett Chairman, President and CEO Douglas McCorkindale also serves on the board of missile-producer Lockheed Martin.
• Government. Many media directors once worked in government positions that put them in close contact with many of today's government's leading war advocates. For example, Viet Dinh, a Georgetown Law professor who sits on News Corp.'s board, is a former Assistant Attorney General and foreign policy adviser for President Bush. According to the Georgetown website he "played a key role in developing the USA Patriot Act and revising the Attorney General's Guidelines."
• Political. Many media higher-ups have other connections to members of the Bush administration. For example, Tom Hicks, former Vice Chair of Clear Channel is a long-time friend and contributor of George W. Bush. Bush made millions of dollars when Hicks purchased the Texas Rangers in 1998 and the two were also at the center of a University of Texas investment scandal.
• Finance. Some of the people who control media corporations also control companies that finance military contractors and other corporations involved in the rebuilding of Iraq. William Kennard, a board member at the New York Times Co., is not only a former FCC Chairman, but also sits on the board at the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm that has invested billions of dollars in the aerospace and defense industry. This type of connection is not uncommon among board members of these media companies.
• Think Tanks. Some media owners and directors are members of pro-military think tanks that pushed for an invasion of Iraq long before 2003. For instance, Time Warner board member Carla Hills is a trustee at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and serves as the Vice Chair at the Council of Foreign Relations, two conservative think tanks that focus on foreign policy and defense.
• Oil Companies. Almost all mainstream media companies profit from the advertising dollars of oil corporations which have a vested interest in both Iraq and Afghanistan. TimeWarner Chairman and CEO previously held both those positions at ChevronTexaco. Current Chevron board members include Carla Hills and General Electric director and former U.S. Senator Sam Nunn.
Of course, the types of conflicts detailed above are by no means a problem exclusive to the eight conglomerates examined here. The pattern of interlocking corporate boards of directors, for instance, is one that extends far and wide. Most mainstream news media are in some way connected with those businesses and politicians that stand to profit most from U.S. wars.
So THAT'S why the media is so pro-war! Thanks.
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| monkey_man |
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Maxlugar wrote:
So THAT'S why the media is so pro-war! Thanks.
I didn't see many voices of dissent on TV in the run up to this war. |
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monkey_man wrote:
I didn't see many voices of dissent on TV in the run up to this war.
So? Wouldn't they be even happier now that we are still there and military equipment is still needed for this venture? |
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| monkey_man |
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Maxlugar wrote:
So? Wouldn't they be even happier now that we are still there and military equipment is still needed for this venture?
I don't see any of the oil companies pulling their ads from the networks in disgust over the news coverage. |
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| jb |
The so called liberal media went hand and hand with the build up to the invasion of Iraq...I don't recall one liberal media guy denouncing it other than Bill Moyer. ABC, NBC, and CBS all played cheerleaders .... |
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| pdog |
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Maxlugar wrote:
I guess we see success differently, old pal.
I see the Twin Towers and Pentagon hit by 767's before we went on the offensive. Nothing since. Did you think we'd go 5.5 years without something like that happening again when you woke up on 9/12/01?
Say what you want about Bush, but taking the fight to them has worked out great for us. God bless all the soldiers over there giving their lives so we can be safe. They believe in their job and are coping with the negative liberals and scheming Dirty Liberal Media.
There were two major terror attacks since September 11th... Spain and England... I'm hoping you just forgot to mention them, and aren't just counting attacks on americans, in the global war... |
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pdog wrote:
There were two major terror attacks since September 11th... Spain and England... I'm hoping you just forgot to mention them, and aren't just counting attacks on americans, in the global war...
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Interesting that NBC of all outlets had this on:
It was obvious, the U.S. announced the surge, they said where the U.S. troops were going and the militia decided they fought the U.S. two-and-a-half years ago, didn't have a lot of success. They decided this time they're going to wait it out, see if political pressure in the U.S. can help them win this time."
Brian Williams: "And General, you and I heard sentiments we don't often hear today, the U.S. commanders quoting the Iraqis: 'please don't leave us.' And a lot of the U.S. fighters there today said they didn't want to leave this fight, they are dedicated to it." |
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Murtha & Pelosi need to have that read to them... |
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| Joey |
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glencar wrote:
Murtha & Pelosi need to have that read to them...
Put more American Troops into the War and ya got more killin' .
Take more American Troops out of the War and ya got more killin' .
Anything you do at this particular juncture and ya got more killin' .
********** Young Joey Sighs and Masturbates **************
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| glencar |
What can a poor boy do? |
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| Maxlugar |
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Joey in effect wrote:
Anything you do at this particular juncture and ya got more killin' .
I'm telling ya, we should just QUIT!!!!
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Joey is not noted as a political theorist by anyone... |
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