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Far more than you will EVER know.....sigh....
That I can assure you without any hesitation is complete bullshit jizzy. I come from a millitary family(my father is a retired fullbird),and have known many who have served,and many that still are serving in Iraq and Afganistan. Some are family members. Some are friends of my family. By many I mean dozens upon dozens.
As far as the truce goes. When I see that kind of elitest crap about "don't confuse them with facts" bullshit I get a bit pissed about it. Because the real fact is that there is not one media source,even Fox,that is being honest about the many great things that are happening inside Iraq. I have heard stuff from family memebers over there right now that is far far different than what the liberals in the media so gleefully point out night after night. This fact has the vast majority in the millitary furious,and yes,I have heard from many of them that they really are beggining to hate the liberals who constantly disparage the mission,the Commander In Chief,and the successes that never seem to get reported on. If you really think that that shit is drivel then have at my friend,but you should know that the millitary is out there day in and day out defending your right to shit all over them.
There was an event that took place inside Afganistan last week when someone tried to kill Vice President Chenney with a bomb. On the Huffington Post message board over one hundred posters complained about the failed attempt! Those are your people jizzy! You may,or may not,feel the same way as these freaks do,but my cousin,who is a marine in Iraq right now,told me that the troops read that story and were ready to frag everyone of those fuckers. Then he said with a very real sense of anger,"That's what we're defending over here Steve. Their right to be un American assholes!" True story!
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| rasputin56 |
Nice try with HuffPo thing. That wouldn't be the first time freepers or other unhinged yahoos from the right wing hatetanks sign in for that kind of bullshit. Right out of the Atwater/Rove playbook. Now, if you brought up Maher, then you'd have something but to try and make a point by using anonymous internet posters on a blog is pretty weak. If you're looking for hate tend to your own first. Yes, there are nuts on both sides. Ours may post on the internets, yours hang out at CPAC and are given leadership and spokesperson positions in your party. |
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Riffy,
Let's be fair, there's some pretty extreme right wing rhetoric about killing people, who are civilians thar just share a common religion or country with terorists... Even in Iran, there a large part, even a majority of people who not only disagree with The Steve Carrell look alike, they also would love to see him gone. The tough part is, if hypothetically, we attacked their country, they would defend, just as we would defend ours. That's the rub, and that's where this admibnistration always fail, b/c it takes real leadership and understanding to deal with that circimstance. Same is what happened in Iraq. The people wanted "Him" gone, and we did that. Then we disbanded their civic infrastructure, police and military. At that point hearts and minds were lost. Then instead of fixing that problem, we occupied their country, and began accusing people of being insurgents, locking them up, and in alot of unreported in the DLM, cases people are dead. You know the line, used by bush so often, we have to be right 100% of the time, the terorists only have to be right once. In another perspective, we only needed to fuck up once in Iraq, and in the eyes and hearts of the people directly effected by those fuckups, it will justifty to them, that we are wrong, and are causing them harm. How would you feel if your father or children or yourself was dragged away at night, locked up for moths. sleep deprived, questioned, accused, stress positioned ect... Would you look upon all behind that action as a threat or enemy? That goes back to my point of extreme right wing talk. Many have said, w/o proof or evidence, that those detained or held are terorists, w/o rights. Even if we had 99 guilyy and 1 innocent... We've gone against our beleifs of what freedom and democracy are. Yet we are telling these people, that's the gift we have given them. I don't know how they feel, but in those shoes, I would be bitter, dissapointed, and fight, to get back at those who are being false. No war is perfect, no fight is fair, but in the end, we need our morals... Plces like Abu Graid, might be footnotes to us here, but to people in Iraq, they are the message America has sent. Why are we the only ones allowed to be outraged? you ever think our mistakes in Iraq might be viewed by Iraqis as their Sept. 11th? There's no war in Iraq, it's an occupation, and a fight against an enemy you can't see. Our miltary service people are frustrated, tired and angry... They take it out on Iraqis, and anti-war and media are not to blame, any more than pro-war and media are to blame. We are all to blame! |
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Nice try with HuffPo thing. That wouldn't be the first time freepers or other unhinged yahoos from the right wing hatetanks sign in for that kind of bullshit. Right out of the Atwater/Rove playbook. Now, if you brought up Maher, then you'd have something but to try and make a point by using anonymous internet posters on a blog is pretty weak. If you're looking for hate tend to your own first. Yes, there are nuts on both sides. Ours may post on the internets, yours hang out at CPAC and are given leadership and spokesperson positions in your party.
Raspy let me make this very clear to you. This story was from my cousin who read about the bloggers at HP while serving in Iraq. The story has spread like wildfire over in Iraq,and it only further underscores the blame/hate America crowd's hatered for everything assotiated with the Bush Admin. That shit is not lost on the troops,and the vat majority of them hate the liberal freaks that think like that.
You can claim that these posts were faked all you want while you adjust your tin foil hat,but if you think that these freaks are not real I'd suggest that you log onto Democratic Underground and read what these very real liberal freaks think. It is certainly not hard to believe that they would,and do,hope for the death of the VP and the POTUS on a daily basis. Fuck them and EVERYONE that thinks like them!
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| lotsajizz |
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That I can assure you without any hesitation is complete bullshit jizzy. I come from a millitary family(my father is a retired fullbird),and have known many who have served,and many that still are serving in Iraq and Afganistan.
You think you're the only one? You believe in the Easter Bunny too? Your sanctimonious screed is most unbecoming.......but I suppose emblematic.....
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| Fiji Joe |
Anyone who says Riffy's comments about the overhwelming sentiment of troops in this regard is false is talking out of their ass...pretty simple...read all the blogs you want, watch 60 minutes and whatnot, but you'd be very wrong if you think he's wrong...I find it puzzling that you wish so hard to be right on this issue...puzzling |
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You think you're the only one? You believe in the Easter Bunny too? Your sanctimonious screed is most unbecoming.......but I suppose emblematic.....
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I should go all BJ on you and card your credentials...show me that DD-214 son...where you serve?...how many people you kill?...REMF?...or grunt?...but I don't roll like that...you're entitled to your opinions...and you're entitled to talk out of your ass at will...you usually do |
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I've had 25 to 30 service people, who've been in iraq in my cab... I've never heard a single one complain about the Republicans or Democrats. They accept their jobs, do their jobs... The only complaint is, none of them understsand what exactly finishes the mission in Iraq. Tell you the truth, I don't know if anyone knows what the end game is whether you want troops in or out...
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Raspy let me make this very clear to you. This story was from my cousin who read about the bloggers at HP while serving in Iraq. The story has spread like wildfire over in Iraq,and it only further underscores the blame/hate America crowd's hatered for everything assotiated with the Bush Admin. That shit is not lost on the troops,and the vat majority of them hate the liberal freaks that think like that.
You can claim that these posts were faked all you want while you adjust your tin foil hat,but if you think that these freaks are not real I'd suggest that you log onto Democratic Underground and read what these very real liberal freaks think. It is certainly not hard to believe that they would,and do,hope for the death of the VP and the POTUS on a daily basis. Fuck them and EVERYONE that thinks like them!
Riffy
And let me make one thing very clear to you, I do not read DU. But I did find it funny that the person who "preserved" the posts before they were rightfully deleted from HuffPo was the purveyor of hate herself, Malkin. I didn't deny that some lefty extremists think this way but I also have seen the "trolls" go onto these sites and post their bile, as well. Try as the lefty whackos may, they will NEVER achieve the level of hatred and deathwishes on people as those on the Freerepublic and the other bastions of nitwitism. For chrissakes, the psychotic right bows before she-male Coulter who has made her bones with wishing death upon half the Supreme Court and to see a building in New York blown up. But I'm sure s/he was just kidding, wink-wink.
I, too, know a few people who are currently serving and a couple more who have recently returned (for the moment). One is still very gung-ho about his mission (whatever that is now) and the others have become somewhat disillusioned. They believe they have accomplished what was asked of them and it's time for the Iraqis to stand up. They think we've given them a chance but if they want it, they have to take it. I haven't checked with them on the Cheney thing so maybe that upset them, too, though I'm not sure it should come as a shock to anyone, even if it were solely whacko lefty shut=ins. |
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Right...they do their mission...as asked...they don't, in any significant numbers, sit around bitching about George Bush or singing liberal nutjob kumbaya fairy tales...I spent 11 years in the military and the only bitching I ever heard about a commander in chief was about Clinton...and it had nothing to do with his any decisions he made to involve our troops or his political affiliation...there was bitching because of the cuts he made in the budget and the sorry state of supplies and equipment....after serving active, I joined the Guard...when I left in 1998, my unit was still operating Vietnam era armored vehicles...the same shit the Greeks were using...that's inexcusable
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Right...they do their mission...as asked...they don't, in any significant numbers, sit around bitching about George Bush or singing liberal nutjob kumbaya fairy tales...I spent 11 years in the military and the only bitching I ever heard about a commander in chief was about Clinton...and it had nothing to do with his any decisions he made to involve our troops or his political affiliation...there was bitching because of the cuts he made in the budget and the sorry state of supplies and equipment....after serving active, I joined the Guard...when I left in 1998, my unit was still operating Vietnam era armored vehicles...the same shit the Greeks were using...that's inexcusable
The irony in all of this is that this is exactly what the libs are bitching about now! Lard assed Murtha is complaining to anyone that will listen that Bush has sent US troops into harm's way without the proper equipment! It was Bubba that slashed funding to an unprecedented level. The millitary were rightfully pissed at him. Now Bush has more than quadrupled military spending,and yet they still try and pin the lack of equipment issue on him. Funny how the truth seems to be blatantly and intentionally ignored on this particular topic.
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Somebody had to say it!
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I should go all BJ on you and card your credentials.
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| lotsajizz |
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Fiji Joe and logical consistency are wholly unrelated
I'm driving up to 301 Metrocenter Boulevard to put a size 11 1/2 Carbon Footprint on yo ass.
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I know a lot of coworkers who have served and are serving in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Central America. Things on the ground are better in theater than they appear in the media. If I end up going to Iraq, the medical unit I would most likely serve in is able to drive from one facility to the next without security escort. I know people there now and they go into town and shop for CDs at $2 apiece at the market (probably Chinese knock-offs).
I think the attitude of each military member in Iraq depends heavily on their biopsychosocial history and the amount of comabt they are exposed to. My experience has been that kids who joined for no no other reason than to be able to purchase a car with base boost as a replacement for self esteem are most likely to be extremely critical of doing anything other than 7am to 4pm CONUS work. Those that actually had some sort of principled thought go into joining and pursue career and education with a proactive enthusiasm are more positive. Those serving a second or third combat tour are usually a little frustrated. And public support of the effort does affect morale of the soldier. You may want to think it doesn't but it's just a fact that it does. It affects my perspective, it affects the morale of people I know who are serving. The airman I told last week that he is going to Iraq - he has told me public nonsupport has him feeling bad about going and talk of funding literally scares him in his own words.
From the Antelope Valley Press. Note Marine's comments about public support. Note amount of support from the community that received absolutely no broadcast media coverage in a community of over 300,000. And this group pursued media heavily:
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PALMDALE - Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Warren described coming back home to Palmdale as surreal.
"All I've had is pictures," said Warren, who just returned from a seven-month combat tour in Anbar Province, one of the most dangerous areas of Iraq.
Suddenly, he was home, and among family and friends. Hundreds of friends, actually.
"To be standing here, it takes you back," he said.
When he left for the Marines, he was a teenager barely out of Highland High School. Arriving in the neighborhood wearing a tailored dress blue uniform, he returned as a 20-year-old veteran with medals for service in Iraq and a combat action ribbon.
Looking out on his street Sunday afternoon, surreal might just be the best way to describe it. Friends, family members, neighbors and a crowd of welcoming strangers lined the sidewalks along Willowbrook Avenue in West Palmdale.
As they looked on, a convoy of Chrysler PT Cruisers decked out in American flags and red, white and blue bunting and ribbons paraded by - one cruiser carried a sign that read, "Stay and Win." And the roar of 41 motorcycles, leading the PT Cruisers, rang through the neighborhood as the parade went around the block.
"It's great," Warren said. "I love seeing how people are supporting us."
And, indeed, the welcome-back celebration was more than a party for Warren. Jeannette Buteyn , Warren's mother, said she wanted Sunday's party to be for all local men and women in uniform who have served or will serve overseas.
Some hand-painted signs - made by Warren's young sister, Cassie - welcomed Warren specifically, but a larger sign, which covered the house's double garage door, read "Welcome home to our Military Heroes!"
"He (Warren) would feel uncomfortable if it were just him," Buteyn said. "We tried to invite as many of the other boys who have come home."
Army Spc. Erik Degan, an active reservist from Palmdale, has served two tours in Iraq with the 1st Armored Division. His most recent tour ended in October. He was on hand Sunday and rode in the neighborhood parade that was partly in his honor.
Marine Pfc. Brian Fratus finished boot camp in August, and is scheduled to start his first tour in Iraq this September. He said he isn't worried about being deployed yet and that Sunday's party will serve as motivation.
"There are so many protestors everywhere," Fratus said. "This makes us still feel that people care about us."
And the signs that people cared on Willowbrook Avenue were abundant. Neighbors waved small American flags that were handed out by the Blue Star Mothers. Hugs and handshakes for the returned or serving GIs and Marines formed the standard greeting.
Linda Patterson and her Navy daughter, Christiaan, distributed "angels" made from paper clips highlighted with red, white and blue streaming ribbons.
"We've made more than 15,000 of these," Linda Patterson said.
Christiaan Patterson, a Navy sonar technician, brought several sailors to the party. "We hunt subs," she said, proudly.
Colleen Goodman, mother of Air Force crew chief Jason Goodman, said, "We are so glad when we get one of them home safe."
Warren's mother hardly slept preparing her home for the big welcome party. "I'm walking on air," she said. "My son is alive."
And similar relief issued from Warren's father, Tracey Warren, and the Marine's grandmother, Connie Warren. "We are a good family," stepfather Steve Buteyn said. "We were all together on this."
Marine Lance Cpl. William Staats was scheduled to deploy to Iraq this month, but is waiting for a foot injury to heal. Staats doesn't know Warren, but came to support his fellow Marines. "It's a good feeling for him," Staats said. "I hope everyone who comes back can have this feeling."
And they will, the organizers of Sunday's events said.
Sunday's party was hosted by the Antelope Valley Blue Star Mothers of America, a support group for the mothers of active-duty troops. The Phun Time Cruisers, a club for Palmdale PT Cruiser owners, organized the parade and invited the Patriot Guard Riders, a motorcycle club that supports the armed forces.
Patriot Guard riders, many of them, emerge from the ranks of veterans, particularly Vietnam veterans. But other veterans, too. They crossed barriers of different branches of service, and different wars, a few sporting "Iraqi Freedom" patches on their leathers, but many more with yellow, red and green ribbons denoting Vietnam service.
The Blue Star Mothers want to host similar welcome-home events for all local troops returning from overseas, said Michelle Hubbard.
Hubbard's son, Matthew, is an army specialist with the 101st Airborne Division and will be in Iraq in about two months.
"We're going to try to do this every time we know someone's coming home," Hubbard said. "They need to be recognized."
Pam Sweeney, Degan's mother and a member of Blue Star Mothers, said communities have to let their troops know they are appreciated.
A table in Buteyn's living room had a donation jar for the Blue Star Mothers' "Bucks for Boxes" project, which helps send care packages to troops overseas. Next to pictures of the Blue Star Mothers packing care packages, a map of Iraq showed all of the U.S. operations centers throughout the country - a reminder of where those care packages might go.
"This is not about the war," Sweeney said. "This is about the troops."
Kathy Paris, who organized the Phun Time Cruisers for the parade, said the group will do parades for returning troops whenever they can.
Tony Boxer, ride captain for the Patriot Guard Riders, said his group primarily rides in funerals for fallen soldiers, but that they would like to do more homecoming and send-off events. More than 40 members rumbled down the street in Sunday's hastily organized parade.
"We've done altogether too many funerals," Boxer said. "This is the happy part."
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| lotsajizz |
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I'm driving up to 301 Metrocenter Boulevard to put a size 11 1/2 Carbon Footprint on yo ass.
I've been a-waitin' for years now.....ho-hum
btw, given your negative assocation with oral sex in your prior post, one must ask -- do you 1) abstain from oral sex, or 2) hate women?
my guess is its both
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btw, given your negative assocation with oral sex in your prior post, one must ask -- do you 1) abstain from oral sex, or 2) hate women?
my guess is its both
How so Jizzbot? I love em both. (In fact I missed your contratulations on my third Maxlette on the way. Maxy is one virile SOB!) I guess you have failed once again to fully comprehend a post. It's OK. We're used to this from you.
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You're a non-factor all together...It's clear to me you struggle to put two sentences together...You got a 6th grade report card I can see?...I'm seriously starting to doubt your credentials |
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You're a non-factor all together...It's clear to me you struggle to put two sentences together...You got a 6th grade report card I can see?...I'm seriously starting to doubt your credentials
LOL! Awesome Feejus!
Say, how many of Jizzy's brains you think someone like you or me could fit in our skulls? Like 100, you think? I'd be not unlike a gumball machine. Thoughts? |
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LOL! Awesome Feejus!
Say, how many of Jizzy's brains you think someone like you or me could fit in our skulls? Like 100, you think? I'd be not unlike a gumball machine. Thoughts?
Yes...we could keep them in the office...and let kids take a free turn on their way out...but only if they behave themselves
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Say, how many of Jizzy's brains you think someone like you or me could fit in our skulls? Like 100, you think?
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" ... Will is the only thing preventing success. "
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Oh, you guys funny. It all comes back to Clinton, doesn't it? I seem to recall the massive military cuts started under everyone's favorite VP Dick Cheney when he was SOD under Poppy. Remember that whole New World Order & Peace Dividend thing? I'm trying hard to figure out how it's still Clinton's fault when the Republicans have controlled Congress since 1994 and have had the presidency since 2001. You'd think if Republicans were in the least bit competent at anything, they would've been able to do something about that by now, eh? |
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Oh, you guys funny. It all comes back to Clinton, doesn't it? I seem to recall the massive military cuts started under everyone's favorite VP Dick Cheney when he was SOD under Poppy. Remember that whole New World Order & Peace Dividend thing? I'm trying hard to figure out how it's still Clinton's fault when the Republicans have controlled Congress since 1994 and have had the presidency since 2001. You'd think if Republicans were in the least bit competent at anything, they would've been able to do something about that by now, eh?
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" Are you speaking to someone in particular Tipsy?"
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Oh, you guys funny. It all comes back to Clinton, doesn't it? I seem to recall the massive military cuts started under everyone's favorite VP Dick Cheney when he was SOD under Poppy. Remember that whole New World Order & Peace Dividend thing? I'm trying hard to figure out how it's still Clinton's fault when the Republicans have controlled Congress since 1994 and have had the presidency since 2001. You'd think if Republicans were in the least bit competent at anything, they would've been able to do something about that by now, eh?
Just shut your trap and keep still Monkey!
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