quote:Mel Belli wrote:
How many are there? What became of them?
they're all very musically inclined, formed a band together and are doing well
21st February 2007 11:15 AM
Voodoo Scrounge
I think he had 4 in all
One with an underage schoolgirl
A boy called Mark Julian
Another Boy called Julian mark
oh and i forget the other one!
21st February 2007 11:22 AM
WhenTheWhipComesDown
Brian had 5 children. Two girls and three boys.
The two girls were adopted out. Dawn Malloy's son was adopted out. She
located him several years back. Pat Andrews son Mark was raised by her.
His son Julian by Linda Lawrence was adopted by Donovan Leitch the singer
after Brian passed.
21st February 2007 12:16 PM
Mel Belli
Interesting. Wonder if and how many of the adopted ones know of their history.
21st February 2007 12:19 PM
WhenTheWhipComesDown
I believe they all do if I am not mistaken.
21st February 2007 12:46 PM
Riffhard
The one thing that all five of them have in commen? That's right. All five of them were abandoned by their father. Too bad Brian was such a horrible person. I'd have so much more sympathy for him had he had any decency to him with regards to his interpersonal relationships,but alas,Brian was an asshole to just about everyone he knew. The revisionists' history trys to portray him as a victim,but that is pure shit. He was not a very likeable guy,and everyone who knew him claim that same exact thing about him.
Riffy
21st February 2007 01:04 PM
LadyJane
quote:Riffhard wrote:
The one thing that all five of them have in commen? That's right. All five of them were abandoned by their father. Too bad Brian was such a horrible person. I'd have so much more sympathy for him had he had any decency to him with regards to his interpersonal relationships,but alas,Brian was an asshole to just about everyone he knew. The revisionists' history trys to portray him as a victim,but that is pure shit. He was not a very likeable guy,and everyone who knew him claim that same exact thing about him.
Riffy
Thank you.
LJ.
21st February 2007 01:18 PM
Factory Girl
quote:Riffhard wrote:
The one thing that all five of them have in commen? That's right. All five of them were abandoned by their father. Too bad Brian was such a horrible person. I'd have so much more sympathy for him had he had any decency to him with regards to his interpersonal relationships,but alas,Brian was an asshole to just about everyone he knew. The revisionists' history trys to portray him as a victim,but that is pure shit. He was not a very likeable guy,and everyone who knew him claim that same exact thing about him.
Riffy
Don't judge him too harshly.
21st February 2007 01:30 PM
stewed & Keefed
quote:Riffhard wrote:
He was not a very likeable guy,and everyone who knew him claim that same exact thing about him.
Riffy
Everyone who knew him away from the band say the opposite.
21st February 2007 02:59 PM
Brian Jones Girl
21st February 2007 03:08 PM
GhostofBrianJones
Back in the 1960's it was NOT cool to acknowledge any illegitmate children
you had. In fact the Stones were strongly encouraged to be "free" for their
fans, even if you were married. No one made Brian step up to the plate and
be responsible for his children. The Managers, even ALO and the Record
Companies encouraged him NOT to take responsibility for his children.
The Sixties were like the Dark Ages when it came for a single man being responsible for his children. This did not only happen to Brian
but to other band members as well. Keith was one of the ones that did.
There are a lot of factors involved in these cases and before anyone goes
and judges anyone it is always a real good idea to get all the facts before
expressing an opinion on what exactly did happen and why. Many social and
legal changes have occured since then. A woman was left alone to fend for
herself back then with almost nowhere to go for help. She was scorned and
often abandoned by her family and no laws in place to make the father
legally responsible for the child.
And another thing before people talk about Brian, look at the relationship
between Anita Pallenberg and Keith Richards, they had their share of physical
altercations, and drugs, and infidelity for many long years, and no one ever
talks about them! Their relationship was a lot worse than the way Brian treated his girlfriends and his children.
21st February 2007 03:54 PM
dkmonroe
quote:GhostofBrianJones wrote:
Back in the 1960's it was NOT cool to acknowledge any illegitmate children
you had. In fact the Stones were strongly encouraged to be "free" for their
fans, even if you were married. No one made Brian step up to the plate and
be responsible for his children. The Managers, even ALO and the Record
Companies encouraged him NOT to take responsibility for his children.
The Sixties were like the Dark Ages when it came for a single man being responsible for his children. This did not only happen to Brian
but to other band members as well. Keith was one of the ones that did.
There are a lot of factors involved in these cases and before anyone goes
and judges anyone it is always a real good idea to get all the facts before
expressing an opinion on what exactly did happen and why. Many social and
legal changes have occured since then. A woman was left alone to fend for
herself back then with almost nowhere to go for help. She was scorned and
often abandoned by her family and no laws in place to make the father
legally responsible for the child.
And another thing before people talk about Brian, look at the relationship
between Anita Pallenberg and Keith Richards, they had their share of physical
altercations, and drugs, and infidelity for many long years, and no one ever
talks about them! Their relationship was a lot worse than the way Brian treated his girlfriends and his children.
These are good points. There's much anecdotal evidence that Brian really loved his kids (at least the two he had contact with) and was really good with them, but circumstances and stupid attitudes (like Andrew Oldham's) drove them apart. This isn't to say that Brian wasn't a dysfunctional jerk much of the time, but he wasn't so dysfunctional a jerk that he didn't want to acknowledge and take care of his own kids.
Yes, attitudes about illegitimate kids were 180 degrees out of phase from present attitudes. Beating your girlfriend was no big deal, but having a kid out of wedlock was a stigmatizing shame.
[Edited by dkmonroe]
21st February 2007 03:58 PM
Saint Sway
I've never once heard any stories about Keith beating Anita. Or about either of them abandoning their children.
21st February 2007 04:14 PM
voodoopug
Brian was a dick for abandoning his children and deserves no credit beyond his artistic contributions.
21st February 2007 05:04 PM
Brian Jones Girl
quote:voodoopug wrote:
Brian was a dick for abandoning his children and deserves no credit beyond his artistic contributions.
21st February 2007 05:12 PM
mojoman
all brians children? soap opera?
21st February 2007 05:30 PM
BILL PERKS
quote:voodoopug wrote:
Brian was a dick for abandoning his children and deserves no credit beyond his artistic contributions.
AMEN-WHAT AN ASSHOLE
21st February 2007 05:36 PM
Saint Sway
Did Wyman ever date any of Brian's daughters?
21st February 2007 05:44 PM
sirmoonie
Eddie Van Halen has been a great dad to Wolfbang.
21st February 2007 06:05 PM
GhostofBrianJones
This is what is called selected hearing/reading. Read the books about the Stones
on Anita and Keith. Read a LOT OF THEM!!!! They HAD A LOT OF PHYSICAL
altercations, and some heavy duty problems, far worse than what Brian did.
Brian is NOT here to defend himself. But during the time Keith and Anita were
together they fought like HELL!! READ THE DAMN BOOKS!!!
21st February 2007 06:11 PM
Saint Sway
verbal fights are different from physical fights.
I've read all the books. Never read anything about Keith hitting a woman. Never.
Read plenty of stuff about Brian being physically abusive to woman.
21st February 2007 06:27 PM
Kilroy
"He withoput sin cast the first stone", get it Stone. Why does it matter what these people do or did. It's the music, it's the music, not that they the musicians are some type of leader or soothsayer. Get a life, and stop living through some dead rock star, are for that matter a live one.
21st February 2007 07:12 PM
Stratus
BJ had five kids by the time he was 23 years old.
Boy, with Valerie (adopted)
Girl, with married Cheltenham woman - raised by her and her husband
Boy, with Pat Andrews - raised by Pat
Boy, with Linda Lawrence - raised by Linda & singer Donovan
Boy, with Dawn Molloy (adopted)
21st February 2007 07:32 PM
mojoman
decembers children(and brians)
21st February 2007 08:10 PM
GhostofBrianJones
I did not bring up this subject first. There are plenty of accounts of Anita and
Keith beating the hell of out each other. I am not living my life through Brian
or anyone else. The Stones problems are at theirs not mine. But Keith and Anita
did not have a better relationship when they were together. You are not reading
the right books. I accept Brian and all his faults. What he did is over and done.
Nothing can change that. We were not there so we don't really know what he
actually felt or every thing that really happened. You accept Mick and Keith
and their faults so I can accept Brian's. I don't give a damn who likes it and
who doesn't. That is not my problem.
21st February 2007 08:17 PM
Brian Jones Girl
quote:GhostofBrianJones wrote:
I accept Brian and all his faults. What he did is over and done.
Nothing can change that. We were not there so we don't really know what he
actually felt or every thing that really happened. You accept Mick and Keith
and their faults so I can accept Brian's. I don't give a damn who likes it and
who doesn't. That is not my problem.
Right on bro.
21st February 2007 08:36 PM
stonedinaustralia
quote:Saint Sway wrote:
I've read all the books. Never read anything about Keith hitting a woman. Never.
Sway I can't quote you chapter and verse but i've certainly seen that allegation made in print...from memory one occasion occurred after/during the GHS release party and i vaguely recall tales of another when things were turning to shit circa '76/'77 ...Bokris maybe mentions it
you can't "blame" the Class A drugs but i'm sure they were a big factor
21st February 2007 09:16 PM
Riffhard
quote:stonedinaustralia wrote:
Sway I can't quote you chapter and verse but i've certainly seen that allegation made in print...from memory one occasion occurred after/during the GHS release party and i vaguely recall tales of another when things were turning to shit circa '76/'77 ...Bokris maybe mentions it
you can't "blame" the Class A drugs but i'm sure they were a big factor
Yes I have read this stuff as well,but the point is that Brian had a long and sorted history of beating on women. Not so with Keith. Brian's life is an open book on these matters. They are historical facts. There has been many attempts to revise his history,but the truth is that he was a nasty little fuck who alienated most of the closest people around him. To say that people outside the band infrastructure tell a different story is a crap argument! I could link many people that had nothing to do with the band that say he was a prick. Pat Andrews just for starters. She still loved the guy,but has stated that he was a "very difficult" person to like. Anita has told many of her own horror stories in dealing with him.
I don't want to come across as a Brian basher. I'm not one,but I am not going to sit around and watch his history get suger coated. The guy had massive problems getting on with people! Starting with his own parents and children right down to James Pheldge. He was a certifiable asshole albeit one with massive talent at one time. End of story.
Riffy
21st February 2007 10:48 PM
Olivia1962
In the Book " Who killed Christopher Robin" there is a good pictures of pat and mark in the 70s, and one of linda.
In the movie about Brian "Stoned" who was the 14 year old girl he got pregnant? Linda?
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