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Moonie have you ever been hunting? I have plenty of times and I can tell you without a seconds thought that hunters are not a bunch of rednecks sitting around powering down beers before they take up arms and go hunting. In fact the hunters that I know will not let a fellow hunter get drunk and then handle his firearm. Hunters are,more often than not,the most careful bunch of people around with regards to alcohol and guns. Cheney notwithstanding! LOL!

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Riffhard wrote:
Moonie have you ever been hunting? I have plenty of times and I can tell you without a seconds thought that hunters are not a bunch of rednecks sitting around powering down beers before they take up arms and go hunting. In fact the hunters that I know will not let a fellow hunter get drunk and then handle his firearm. Hunters are,more often than not,the most careful bunch of people around with regards to alcohol and guns. Cheney notwithstanding! LOL!

What happened was an accident plain and simple. He admitted that he had a beer with lunch. From that the conspiracy theorists have concluded that Cheney was loaded. Quite a fucking stretch considering nobody that was there claims that.

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My point is that the only one's making the "he was hammered" allegations are people who were not there,and have a political axe to grind. Having said that,I will say that Cheney did not handle the press dealio very well. In his defense though the press hates the man. If I were him I'd tell them all to fuck off!

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Those who don't have an axe to grind wouldn't make public allegations, now would they? Thats kind of axiomatic, isn't it? Yet, every one of them non-axe-grinders, including yourself, know that Cheney was "bushwhacked" when he busted a cap in that dude's ass. Like I said, if he truly wasn't liqued, there are other serious health issues going with the man - perhaps dropsy, staggers, Legionairre's disease, post-neural abrasion, turbulent virulitis, etc. I don't know, I'm not some fucking quack, you fucking figure it out Einstein.

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Riffhard wrote:
My point is that the only one's making the "he was hammered" allegations are people who were not there,and have a political axe to grind. Having said that,I will say that Cheney did not handle the press dealio very well. In his defense though the press hates the man. If I were him I'd tell them all to fuck off!



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My point is that the only one's making the "he was hammered" allegations are people who were not there,and have a political axe to grind. Having said that,I will say that Cheney did not handle the press dealio very well. In his defense though the press hates the man. If I were him I'd tell them all to fuck off!

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With a 30% approval rating, damn that's alot of people in the press hating... LOL!

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Yeah I hear ya BJ. I was a little upset that the thread was deleted as well. Mainly because I had linked many "facts" that corroborated my original contention. As I do not have the time,nor patience,to peruse through the links again I'll just point out this little blurb.


"The filibuster forces knew that they faced a long and tiring battle. Their opponents had anticipated and planned for the filibuster. In fact, Humphrey personally opened full-fledged debate on the civil rights bill on March 30 with a three hour, eleven-minute speech from a 68 page speech of his own in defense of H. R. 7152. Both Humphrey and Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Senate Minority Whip gathered enough senators together so that at any time a quorum call came up, the pro-civil rights forces could answer it. Northerners also combated the "southern bloc" by answering southerners' criticisms of the bill on the floor rather than simply letting the filibusterers speak indefinitely without response. To respond to the organized opposition, southerners formed a platoon system composed of three six- member filibuster teams. When one team had the floor for the filibuster, the other two would rest and then prepare to take turns speaking on the floor.


The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.


The Republican pro-civil rights forces were blessed with gifted leadership. Although Senate minority whip Thomas Kuchel initially managed the party's forces, it increasingly became clear to Democrats, Republicans, the press, civil rights groups, and the White House that Everett McKinley Dirksen was the key man in the entire civil rights legislative effort.


After criticizing H. R. 7152 in March, Dirksen began to work more closely in late spring with Humphrey and the civil rights forces to fashion a strategy that would secure passage of the bill. Dirksen organized Republican support for the bill by designating a floor captain for each of the bill's seven sections. He and the bipartisan leaders believed that five or six "swing" votes held the key to cloture and the end of debate. Almost all of these uncommitted senators were conservative Republicans from rural states without racial difficulties. Their constituents opposed the legislation because it involved expanded federal powers. The problem facing the leadership was how to enlist the support of these uncommitted senators.


By working with Dirksen to swing key votes and by marshaling public opinion and constituent support for the civil rights measure, Senate leaders moved forward with the legislation

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So I stand by my original contention because it is based on facts not a liberal rewriting of history. The FACT is that the Republican party has written roughly three time more legislation,and passed more bills into law, of the advancment of civil rights as have their Democrat counterparts. As this article points out(from the library of Congress btw)the most important figure in the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was,in fact,a Republican by the name of Everett McKinley Dirksen (R-Il.). Add to the fact that the Democrats history with regards to race relations is pathetic prior to the 1964 Act,and my point has been made and verified by fact. It was a galant effort though BJ. I'll give you thast.

Afterall the GOP is the "Party of Lincoln"!



Riffy

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quackenbush wrote:
I think the press is right, Cheney didn't report this accident
quickly enough. For now on, some reporter, on the extreme left, should always accompany the vice president whenever he goes hunting. The press guy should not be accountable to anyone; come and go as s/he pleases, wear camoflage and look right over the vice president's shoulder. We have a right to know.

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This photo is a prime example of what it looks like there:


[Edited by Bloozehound]

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