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| Jaxx |
Mick Jagger wanted to play the title role in "An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn" and had an assistant call the producer.
The producer said Jagger should talk to the screenwriter, Eszterhas, who was a big Jagger fan.
But Jagger said he didn't talk to mere writers, and besides, he had some ideas that might work if they hired a new writer.
"In my insufferable way, I told the producer to tell Mick's assistant to tell Mick, Jumpin' Jack Flash himself, to go f - - - himself," Eszterhas recalls.
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
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Jaxx wrote:
"In my insufferable way, I told the producer to tell Mick's assistant to tell Mick, Jumpin' Jack Flash himself, to go f - - - himself," Eszterhas recalls.
Wow, I'm impressed.  |
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| scratched |
Jagger should stick to being in the Stones - its the only thing he's good at. His film stuff is pretty crap really (except Performance) and he should leave that sort of thing to people who know what they're doing. |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
[quote]scratched wrote:
>Jagger should stick to being in the Stones<
I agree. At least primarily.
>its the only thing he's good at.<
Well thats not true. So the movies are a bit tough. It's hard enough being a genius in one thing. Even Dylan could be considered a bad actor.
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>its the only thing he's good at.<
Well thats not true. So the movies are a bit tough. It's hard enough being a genius in one thing. Even Dylan could be considered a bad actor.
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If he's a bad actor, he shouldn't act in films. I really meant that I think Mick should stick to what he excels at - being the best frontman in the business. There's nothing better than seeing someone do what they do and know that there's no-one better at it than them. Anytime Jagger does one of his 'side projects', like films, I frequently can't help thinking that its a load of crap.
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| Angiegirl |
Well Scratched, I think you're right up to a point. But I'm not sure if Jagger is such a bad actor. He just has this ultra-known identity, including his voice and facial features. You just can't let go when you see him in a film, it's Mick Jagger in the movie. I always have a hard time letting go of his image and seeing him as the character he's playing. It's mainly because of his voice I think  .
But for himself, I can imagine he wants to do different things, pursue his own interests, live his own life, trying to be a person without just being Mick the lead singer of the Stones. He just has this image and he doesn't really succeed in his attempts, poor Mick hahahaha! |
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| LadyJane |
His performance in Man from Elysian Fields was excellent. And that's not just my totally unobjective opinion. The critics loved him and there was talk of an Oscar nomination.
LJ. |
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| Strange_Stray_Cat |
I agree with Angiegirl. If I watch a movie with Jagger, I do not see a particular character, but the frontman of the Stones. Can't help it.
I did like Enigma tho.
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
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scratched wrote:
Anytime Jagger does one of his 'side projects', like films, I frequently can't help thinking that its a load of crap.
Well, I'm sure Jerry felt the same way. She didn't have much appreciation for his "side projects" either. |
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| Riffhard |
Oh,I don't about all that,when it comes to Jagger's acting. Sure his performance in Ned Kelly and Free Jack weren't what I'd call Oscar worthy performances. However,he was great in "Man From Elyasian Fields." He got high marks from all the critics with that roll. Plus,his self produced film "Enigma" was actully quite good. I think Jagger has got himself a great little film career that he can fall back on.
As for Eszterhas,he has burned every bridge he ever had in Hollywood with his new book "Hollywood Babylon." It looks as if now he's trying to ruin his rep with the music world as well.
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| Monkey Woman |
For once, Mick's arrogance served him well if it prevented him from playing in Burn Hollywood Burn! This film is a sad piece of crap in which several luminaries of Hollywood made laughing stocks of themselves. Serves thems well for saying yes to that! 
Full marks for nastiness to Eszterhas, btw. It shows that men can be catty too!
On Mick's acting, I agree with Angie and SSC: it's nearly impossible to suspend disbelief when Mick Jagger walks onscreen. You see first MJ, and second only the character in the movie... Sometimes though he manages to pull it off when the character is close to his rock persona (or what we perceive of it). In Performance (1970), Bent (1997) or The Man From Elysian Fields (2001), this was the case. I think he showed very good acting in these three films, and portrayed some unforgettable characters.
He also did a great job as a producer with Enigma. |
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| Angiegirl |
Yeah, I loved him in Elysian Fields, true enough. Enigma is a great movie, but has nothing to do with Jagger's acting.
Performance is a real cool movie too, but indeed has to do more with his status as Jagger than with playing a totally different character. The low-point must be Vacendak (or how do you spell that) in Freejack. "O no, I'm afraid of the dark!" must be the worst-acted movie line ever recorded . |
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| Strange_Stray_Cat |
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Enigma is a great movie, but has nothing to do with Jagger's acting.
Correct. My point is that the man can make good movies, if he's not acting. |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
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Monkey Woman wrote:
On Mick's acting, I agree with Angie and SSC: it's nearly impossible to suspend disbelief when Mick Jagger walks onscreen. You see first MJ, and second only the character in the movie...
Actually that's a ridiculous notion. IMO. I mean when any actor walks on stage/film we know who they are. But the mark of a great actor is that we DO forget who the actor is....at least for a second. That's what makes even the great Bogart a second rate actor and Bogie was Kool before Keith was. |
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| Angiegirl |
No, that's the difference when you know a person from a totally different field. Brad Pitt or whoever we know as an actor. That's what makes the difference for me. |
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| Monkey Woman |
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Brad Pitt or whoever we know as an actor. That's what makes the difference for me.
Exactly! When I see Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp onscreen, I don't think about the actor, I think about the character: Who is he? What's his story? Etc.
When I see Mick onscreen, I'm thinking first about the music, about the Stones. I'm half expecting him to tear into a song with Keith, Charlie and Ronnie behind!
But if the character suits him well, and if he really worked at it (not what happened in Freejack, indeed!), the character can take life and the story go along, not parasited but served by Mick's acting.
Other factors for the success or failure of Mick's movies are of course the director, the scenario, the other actors. The story in the MFEF for instance was strange and intriguing but strongly written, with well developped characters. The director, George Hickenlooper, knew what he wanted from the actors. For instance, as he tells in the DVD, he insisted that Mick work on expressing feelings in a more subtle, understated way, so as not to overdo it. Left to his own devices, Mick, like most actors, would have exaggerated. And of course he had a good screen partner in Andy Garcia. The contrast between the earnest, naive, desperate Byron Tiller and the worldly, refined and ruthless Luther Fox provided great dramatic interest. |
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| Diedre |
He has the worst taste in scripts. Every movie he's made is horrible. "Freejack"? Yikes. "Man From Elysian Fields" is beyond ludicrous, even if his performance was okay. The whole premise of male escorts that service women is a little ridiculous; those that do usually service older, less attractive women than the actresses in that movie. Why would a woman that looked like Olivia Williams need to hire some guy? And why would a woman with money to spend hire a guy as old as Mick, Michael Des Barres, or even Andy Garcia, for that matter? And wouldn't they want guys that were better-looking? Plus, the dialogue is excruciating. Same with "Ned Kelly," another bomb.
I read Mick is writing a script for Martin Scorcese (he's a bigshot director, so I guess Mick takes his calls -- when the man wrote Starf***** he was probably writing about himself, not a groupie). So we'll see what his idea of "good writing" is. |
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| littleredrooster |
I'm with Lady Jane!
Elysian Fields was a very good movie and Jagger played his character well.
Two thumbs UP !! |
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| glencar |
I was quite perturbed when he wasn't Oscar-nominated for "Elysian Fields." "Performance" & ""Bent" also contained great MJ acting. |
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| Monkey Woman |
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Why would a woman that looked like Olivia Williams need to hire some guy?
The reason is made clear in the movie. The story is perfectly coherent and, to the contrary of a lot of Hollywood flicks, not simplistic in its depiction of men/women relationships! |
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| Jaxx |
i think jagger is either a renaissance man or he suffers from A.D.D. i also think that he finds ways to maximize his wealth and diversifying into film seems a natural for musicians who are rock stars. (ice has had a very successful film and television acting career). i think jagger has proven that he can successfully produce. quite frankly, i enjoy seeing him on the screen. maybe its just me, but i can get past his rock star/front man image and just enjoy watching him on the big screen. his face, while craggly is extremely interesting. why box such a talented man into a corner?
"i'm ready for my close up, mister demille"  |
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| Jaxx |
i think jagger is either a renaissance man or he suffers from A.D.D. i also think that he finds ways to maximize his wealth and diversifying into film seems a natural for musicians who are rock stars. (ice has had a very successful film and television acting career). i think jagger has proven that he can successfully produce. quite frankly, i enjoy seeing him on the screen. maybe its just me, but i can get past his rock star/front man image and just enjoy watching him on the big screen. his face, while craggly is extremely interesting. why box such a talented man into a corner?
"i'm ready for my close up, mister demille" |
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| Angiegirl |
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why box such a talented man into a corner?
Just for the fun of it  . |
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| Monkey Woman |
Oh, oh! You have naughty things on your mind, Angie!
To get back on the subject of Mick's acting: it's true that when he goes seriously for it, he can do a great job. I wonder if anyone here watched "My Best Fiend", the documentary by Werner Herzog about Klaus Kinski who was the lead actor of five Herzog movies, including "Fitzcarraldo"? There's footage in it of Mick Jagger's acting which was dropped from the movie when Mick decided not to complete it. Herzog casted Mick in a support role and was very impressed by his acting. But there was so many delays in the filming that Mick couldn't go on with it as it was time for the 1981 tour rehearsals. But Herzog rewrote the scenario to suppress the character Mick would have played. Herzog didn't want another actor in that role if he couldn't have Mick. But he used the scenes already filmed with Mick in his documentary. |
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| telecaster |
All you need to know about Joe Esterhaus is that he was the screenwriter for "Showgirls"
Mick was right |
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| glencar |
Oh, no doubt Mick was right about Esterhaus. A real screenwriter would have rated a meeting. |
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| Angiegirl |
Yeah, coz Mick is soooo cool, he can be downright arrogant and rude to people, sure! 
And the article reads 'Eszterhas' not Esterhaus btw. I dunno the person, so I dunno which is right. Showgirls was a horrific movie indeed. Dutch producer... |
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| scratched |
Showgirls is pure class. |
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| LuckyWithTheLadies |
Allow me to pontificate if I may.
I think there is confusion here between Stars and Actors. Mick Jagger is a star. Tom Cruise is a star. Kenneth Branagh is an actor. Micheal Caine is an actor. Stars are always seen as a star on the big screen, not as real characters in a movie. Actors are seen as real characters, not as stars. Movie goers go to see the star Tom Cruise, not to see Tom Cruise create a believeable character. He is a star. His name alone will draw a crowd no matter how lame the movie or bad the acting, for example Eyes Wide Shut. Mick Jagger has star power baby. But I think that the things that have made him such a huge star in the rock and roll world don't translate well to the big screen.
Showgirls Rocks! |
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| glencar |
Mick was not just a star in Performance. That was great work. Of course, you concluded with praise for Showgirls so that's hurts your credibility! |
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