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| Saint Sway |
Ryan Adams looks like he's headed for a full-blown "Nolte"
check out these hospital pics of him... scary!
http://blackcrowes.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18051 |
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| gypsy |
Mmmm. No. He's not anywhere near Nolte, or even Busey for that matter. He's purposely acting like an idiot. It has to come natural to be considered Nolte. Dig? |
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| Saint Sway |
yeah I dig, gypsy
I know he's hasnt reached "Nolte" yet. And most of what Ryan does is so obviously for attention. He's like a spoiled child.
but lately, he really seems to being taking his little act just a bit too far. (I seriously think he may be bi-polar)
and eventually he's gonna lose track that line between safety and insanity and not be able to find his way back. I really think he's headed on his way for a full blown "Nolte" one of these days
if nothing else the pics are funning to see just how fucking stupid he looks.
And sad, bc I thought he made two good records (Heartbreaker and Gold) but lately the stuff hes put out is just pure shite. He need help. |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Ryan Adams is a jackass. I probably couldn't stand to be in the same room as him for more than 5 minutes. Either that, or we'd get along famously, I don't know which. His schtick is pretty weak. Here is what Paul Westerberg has to say about him: "I seen his fuckin' haircut. I hear his fuckin' whine. I see his fake clothes, and then when he opens his fuckin' mouth all I want to do is smash the fucker's teeth down his throat."
But here is where I stick up for him a little. The last 5 Ryan Adams releases, IMO are fantastic. Demolition, We Are Fuck You, Love Is Hell Pt.1, Rock N Roll, and Love Is Hell Pt.2 are all pretty darn good.
Both Love Is Hell EPs are flat out twisted. They are utterly dank and dismal. It's the sound of a man on the brink. Disturbing stuff. Yet, like a train wreck, you can't look away.
Demolition is a neat demo release. Pretty much everything on it would have made almost anyone else's records.
We Are Fuck You, by Ryan's side project with Jesse Malin, The Finger, is a wonderfully deranged slamfest. A drunken orgy of distorted guitar, piss, and vinegar.
And Rock N Roll is an homage to the bands he grew up listening to in his early teens. Ryan does the Smiths better than the Smiths did the Smiths. No, it's not groundbreaking stuff. It was never meant to be...it's a tribute to his early influences.
None of these releases is anything like Heartbreaker or Gold, so I can understand why you would think these records are crap if you are expecting Gold Pt. 2, or Heartbreaker Revisited. Obviously, Ryan Adams makes the records that HE wants to make...not the records that YOU think he should make. It doesn't look like he will allow himself to be painted into a corner by the public, or the media. I know, I know, an artist like that goes against the grain of our catagory enthralled society. Everyone wants everything to fit into its nice little slot, all nice and neat. And we get pissed when things don't fit right. Especially if someone is trying not to fit on purpose.
I look at each of Ryan's releases without any expectation. I take them for what they are on face value. What I got was 5 CDs with some pretty interesting stuff on them. Just because it isn't what he did previously, doesn't mean that it isn't any good.
Yeah, he's a dickhead....a dickhead that turns out some pretty neat music. |
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| glencar |
He was pretty cool to see in Pittsburgh when he opened for the Stones. |
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| glencar |
But he did seem really fucked up! |
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| beer |
He's a poser. other cultures would've chopped his hands off for his acts of thievery. |
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| UGot2Rollme |
when he warmed up for the Stones at the Garden, the crowd couldn't have cared less... I shouted out "Cuts Like a Knife" to see if I could liven things up, but I don't think he heard me... |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>other cultures would've chopped his hands off for his acts of thievery.<
I guess they would have had to do the same thing to the Stones then also. And Led Zepplin. And John Mayall. And Eric Clapton. In fact, there wouldn't be very many musicians with hands. The Blues would have died with Charlie Patton and Son House. The only people playing Rock and Roll would be Chuck Berry and Little Richard.
Sometime in 2001 I think, at a show in Nashville or some such place...but I'm pretty sure it was Nashville...a concert goer yelled out "Play Summer of 69!", Well our boy Ryan heard it..and he wigged out. He got out $30.00 and gave the money to a security guy and told him to give the money to the heckler and escort him out of the building. He would hold up the show while it was done.
Well, of course, the press go ahold of this. Robbie Fulks read about the incident, and posted a reward on his website. $15.00 in free merchandise to anyone who could get tossed from a Ryan Adams show for yelling out Bryan Adams song titles. You got bonus stuff if you could get a mention in a newspaper, and sent Robbie a clipping. From what I understand Robbie ended up giving away a lot of free T shirts and CDs.
I thought it was funny at first...but the more I thought about it, the more I began to think it wasn't a very good idea. Ryan deserved the aggrivation...but the people who plopped their money down for a ticket didn't.
Oh, and your point about no one caring when he opened for the Stones at MSG....no one cares about ANY of the opening acts. The Stones are the show. Jesus Christ himself could open for the Stones and no one would give a shit. |
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| UGot2Rollme |
SSA - the Corrs got a warm warm-up welcome on No Security tour at MCI Center and probably other venues. I'd imagine the Pretenders did as well on Licks tour. |
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| Factory Girl |
"Oh, and your point about no one caring when he opened for the Stones at MSG....no one cares about ANY of the opening acts. The Stones are the show. Jesus Christ himself could open for the Stones and no one would give a shit."
I cared about the Strokes opening for the Stones. They were really good, and I thoroughly enjoyed their set.
Jms Brown should open for the Stones.
Or Johnny Winter. Or Patti Smith. Or Iggy.
That would be cool. |
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| gypsy |
I am so in luv with you, SS. |
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| Joey |
" I am so in luv with you, SS. "
So Am I ! Wanna do a threesome ?
Spanky !
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| FPM C10 |
quote:
Factory Girl wrote:
James Brown should open for the Stones.
That would be cool.
He was supposed to open for them at MSG in '81, but cancelled at the last minute. They replaced him with Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
I really wish I'd seen that. As the cute Rumanian girl says in "Stranger Than Paradise"...
"Screamin' Jay is a wild man! So get off my back!" |
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| Factory Girl |
I wonder why JB bailed (pun intended)?
Prince would have been another good opener choice for the Stones. Has he ever opened for them? |
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| beer |
you can be a good writer and be influenced by other writers that came before you. for example, let's say someone wrote an excellent book, but their writing style was clearly influenced by (Insert Famous Authors Name Here). it could still justifiably be considered a great book if the person who wrote it went beyond their influences and turned out something all their own.
on the other hand, if you wrote a book and literally stole entire sentences, and sometimes even paragraphs from other writers, you'd be considered a chump. which is exactly what ryan adams is. |
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| scratched |
What has he stolen? Going along with your author analogy, he would have stolen entire lines of lyrics word for word and lifted entire segments of melody note for note from other writers. I know most of his songs and have never noticed any notable similarity (i.e. exact paraphrasing) of one of his songs to other songs. Examples please? |
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| beer |
it was more musically that literary. like you said, it was an analogy. listen to that album called gold. if ya can't hear it,then i don't know what to tell you.
when i first heard that album, i thought it was a joke.
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>on the other hand, if you wrote a book and literally stole entire sentences, and sometimes even paragraphs from other writers, you'd be considered a chump. which is exactly what ryan adams is.<
OK, then I guess you also saying that Bob Dylan is a chump.
At least 12 lines from Love and Theft were directly lifted...word for word...from an obscure Japanese book.
On Gold, I can hear licks and hooks that sort of remind me of other things...but nothing is note for note. I too would like some examples beer...maybe I missed something. But I doubt it. I've listened to that album quite a bit.
UGot2RollMe...I saw the Corrs open in DC...and people in my section were hollering for the Stones in the 2nd song. They got the biggest applause when they left the stage. I went to both MCI shows, and everyone I talked to before the 2nd gig was giving the Corrs a miss on the 2nd night. I think perhaps you misinterpreted appreciation for the music when it was really just for the hot chicks in the band.
I also saw the Pretenders at the Vet on the Licks tour. I think the best way to put it is that they were politely tolerated. That's not too bad for Philly. I don't remember anyone throwing stuff at them. Ms. Hynde got some good cheers when she paid her respects to her idols Keef, and the Stones. But again, the mood of the crowd was more of relief that the Pretenders were done and the main event was coming.
FG...when I said no one cares about opening acts, I was refering to the entire crowd as an entity. Obviously there will always be some individuals who dig the opener...but the mood of the entire crowd is more what I was refering to. Perhaps I should have made that more clear.
I was into seeing the Foo Fighters open in NJ on the Bridges tour...but by the 3rd song I wanted them off the stage. It was time for the Stones.
Gypsy....Tonight, I hum Jumping Jack Flash for you. And remember, that is only one of my B moves. |
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| beer |
quote:
Sir Stonesalot wrote:
>on the other hand, if you wrote a book and literally stole entire sentences, and sometimes even paragraphs from other writers, you'd be considered a chump. which is exactly what ryan adams is.<
OK, then I guess you also saying that Bob Dylan is a chump.
At least 12 lines from Love and Theft were directly lifted...word for word...from an obscure Japanese book.
On Gold, I can hear licks and hooks that sort of remind me of other things...but nothing is note for note. I too would like some examples beer...maybe I missed something. But I doubt it. I've listened to that album quite a bit.
directly lifted from said website.
Like clockwork. this is funny. i feel like i'm being stalked. listen to whatever you want. |
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| UGot2Rollme |
SirStone - one thing is for sure, the Corrs certainly had a much better reception at MCI than Ryan Adams at MSG - yes, it could have been partly the hot chick vibe, but also the Irish jig stuff went over very well. As for the Pretenders being just tolerated at the Philly Vet show - if your perception is acccurate - I'm very dissapointed at my brothers and sisters from the City of Brotherly Love who know how to rock n' roll just about better than any other city on the planet. |
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| scratched |
Still no examples. |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Like I said...politely tolerated is pretty good for a Philly crowd. They didn't get booed, and no one threw stuff at them.
I can't say the same for other opening acts that I've seen at Philly.
I'd say the Pretenders got the best reception I've seen at a Philly show. And they did their job...they got the crowd ready for the main event...The Stones. And that was my whole point to begin with.
beer...it's not a matter of stalking. You made some pretty strong statements, and have not produced one example to back those statements up. I couldn't care less if you think Ryan Adams is a hack...you are not alone in that...but if you could let us in on what has made you form that opinion, I for one, would find it interesting. The reasoning that you have stated so far is pretty weak for statements so strong. By your reasoning so far...almost ANYONE could be a hack or a posuer or a chump. So why does it only apply to Ryan Adams? You seem to be setting a double standard.
I like to discuss musicians and their work...especially those whom I find interesting and talented. It's nothing personal at all...we usually agree, I'm just trying to figure out why not this time. |
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| UGot2Rollme |
SirStone - please post some examples of Philly crowd behavior for rock shows. I grew up there, and usually the animosity was directed towards "The Man" and not the performers.
Speaking of disrespect, I saw Cheap Trick last year in Raleigh at some Barbecue concert (they were warm up for Gin Blossoms) and they were playing too loud for their equipment which kept blowing out the speakers - somebody hurled a beer that missed Rick Nielsen's head by about an inch - kind of funny really.
I also saw someone toss a beer at Paul Rogers from Bad Co. at a Raleigh gig a few years ago - and connected. Pissed Paul off, but he went on with the show..a little damper.
He was warming up for Styx (bill was Billy Squier, Paul and Styx) some would call that oldies, but I call it classic rock. |
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
quote:
beer wrote:
He's a poser. other cultures would've chopped his hands off for his acts of thievery.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'm closer to Beer on this than SS.
There's a profound difference between adaptation, reconfiguration and "making something your own" based on other stuff, sometimes directly taking from other stuff (Dylan the prime example: Love And Theft not only lifts from that obscure Japanese book, but from Blind Willie Johnson, Mark Twain, the Bible, and Robert Johnson) and what so many bands have been doing in the nineties - just making mindless rehashes.
Listen to Love And Theft, or, for that matter, the White Stripes' De Stijl. You'll hear influences and riffs from tons of different musicians throughout the ages - but they do something with it that's unique and original and powerful and 'make it their own'. I don't hear that yet with Ryan. The mindless rehashers of the nineties that followed the abdication of the throne by Nirvana before they'd really had a chance to break their imitators over their knees like The Beatles did with Herman's Hermits and so forth meant that suddenly it was all about trying to be "the next x" and less "yourself, with your influence being x". This led to the tragic downfall of rock as a force and the rise of hip-hop which wound up killing itself and selling out in an attempt to get the parents of the rich suburban white kids to buy their albums for Christmas. I hear the new rockers, who are so interesting and original, and then I see Ryan, and his fuckin' haircut &c., and I get the sense that he's still years behind where he could be.
-tSYX --- I am a darrrrrrk horse... |
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The mindless rehashers of the nineties that followed the abdication of the throne by Nirvana before they'd really had a chance to break their imitators over their knees like The Beatles did with Herman's Hermits and so forth meant that suddenly it was all about trying to be "the next x" and less "yourself, with your influence being x".
It always has been about "trying to be the next x" for 99% of new artists – there always has been "mindless rehashers" in the music since the year dot and there always will be, i.e. the aforementioned Herman’s Hermits, Manfred Mann, ELO to name but a few, its just that history seems to erase these nobodies from people’s memories in a way that hasn’t yet happened to more recent nobodies.
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This led to the tragic downfall of rock as a force and the rise of hip-hop which wound up killing itself and selling out in an attempt to get the parents of the rich suburban white kids to buy their albums for Christmas.
Hip-hop has not killed itself – its just gone underground in a way that it, rock ‘n roll, and any other genre of popular music has done many times before. It will be back. Once the fickle fashion of the music business dictates and the current crop of ‘original’ rockers have ‘sold out’ and gone stale. Mark my words, it will happen |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>SirStone - please post some examples of Philly crowd behavior for rock shows.<
Sure.
Bottles rained down on Journey prior to a Stones show.
Insults, cat calls, and much booing where hurled at John Popper and Blues Traveler.
Watch the Philly part of Live Aid...acts ducking stuff left & right.
Not exactly a rock show, but I saw snowballs rain down on a guy that butchered the Star Spangled Banner.
Philly fans know shit from shinola. We just tend to react violently to being presented shit.
And speaking of shit....
>I also saw someone toss a beer at Paul Rogers from Bad Co. at a Raleigh gig a few years ago - and connected. Pissed Paul off, but he went on with the show..a little damper.
He was warming up for Styx (bill was Billy Squier, Paul and Styx) some would call that oldies, but I call it classic rock.<
I'm assuming you were at that show either because
a) part of the crew
b) were working a story for local media
c) it was free and you were REALLY REALLY bored
d) a hot chick said she'd blow you if you took her to the show
e) you took a dying child there for the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
f) went to point and laugh at Stxy fans.
Otherwise...I can't believe you'd admit to going to such a thing.
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| UGot2Rollme |
SirStones - I do remember the loudest cheer when Journey warmed up for the Stones in Philly '81 was when Steve Perry acknowledged the Stones fans in the audience, although no bottles were thrown at the band...
and, to answer your question about my attendance at the Squier,Rodgers, Styx show... it was kick ass and definitely beat a night at home wackin off, gettin stoned and postin on RO. |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Uhhhhhhhhhh.......
OK.
Oh. Oh. OH!!!
NOW I get it!
You are having me on. Joking. Running a gag.
I don't know why I thought you were serious. Silly me.
I mean, saying those acts names and "kick ass" in the same sentence! Hilarious my man. Wicked pissah! Wooooodoggies...you had me goin there for a second.
*wink wink*
Hey, I can't wait to get tickets to the new Peter Frampton/Foriegner/REO Speedwagon/Journey tour! It will kick ass for sure!!
*wink, wink*
And we all know that there is nothing better than wackin' off, gettin' stoned, and posting at Rocks Off!
Dude, you are crackin me UP! |
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| nankerphelge |
"wackin' off, gettin' stoned, and posting at Rocks Off!"
Have you got one of those spycams in my house???
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