December 17, 2007
Leslie West Interview
by Rick Landers.
Modern Guitars
The band’s name was bold. It was massive. Mountain. Some claim it reflected the man standing his ground and hammering chords and a tight riff to the group’s hit “Mississippi Queen.” The name could have as readily been based on the towering stacks of Sunn amps that drove the group in its early days. Whatever the reality, Leslie West, lead guitarist for Mountain, gave the group's sound its high peaks and deep roots.
West is a big man. He’s shed his massive girth from the early days, but he's tall and built solid. He has a presence that immediately informs that he’s an individual of consequence, someone to be taken seriously. While other groups were moving in more experimental directions, West planted his guitar riffs deep into the bedrock of rock ‘n’ roll. Listen to the now classic "Mississippi Queen" with its simple I, IV, V chord structure coupled with Leslie’s beast vocal. The song is pure power with the formidable Leslie West dead center.
As teens, Leslie and his brother formed what became an R&B Long Island group called the Vagrants that played on bills with Cream, the Who, Mitch Ryder and others. And at least one other local rocker took note of West's guitar work.
“As soon as I saw Leslie play I said, 'Wow, this guy's great!' He didn't play like he played later on, but he was able to play whatever cover he was doing and do it exact - from Beatles stuff to "You Really Got Me." "Whatever he would figure out, he would play just like the record," says Johnny Ramone.
Mountain was formed in the early '70s by Leslie and Cream’s producer Felix Pappalardi who played bass. They were joined by N.D. Smart (drums) and Steve Knight (keyboards). The group had only three gigs under their belt when they were signed to play at Woodstock alongside such acts as the Jimi Hendrix Experience, the Who, and Santana.
West moved in heady circles that included Mick Jagger, Jimi Hendrix, the Who, Jack Bruce, Ahmet Ertugen, Van Halen, Billy Joel and Tom Dowd. Leslie and Mick once joined forces to write a song as he explained in an early interview, "We ended up writing a song ["High Roller" together for the album The Great Fatsby [1975, Phantom Records]. It was almost like “Brown Sugar” backwards. You’d swear it was the Stones.”
Along with Mountain’s series of albums, Leslie West has kept himself busy working in other media including acting alongside Tom Hanks and Shelly Long in The Money Pit, performing voice-over work for television, serving as musical director for Howard Stern and offering guitarists his own guitar instructional video, Big Phat Ass Guitar.
It’s been over thirty-five years since Mountain’s first charting album, Mountain Climbing hit the scene and the band continues to tour and produce great music. Leslie was trimmed down to his fighting weight when we saw him at Wolf Trap’s Performing Arts Center, in Vienna, Virginia. The gig was called HippieFest 2007 and in addition to Mountain included Badfinger; the Rascals, Mitch Ryder, the Zombies, Country Joe McDonald, the Turtles, and others. It was a great event, but when Corky Laing nailed the cowbell intro and West unleashed his inimitable "Mississipi Queen" riff, they stopped everyone in their tracks.
Modern Guitars met Leslie backstage at Wolf Trap where he asked, “Do you play guitar?” I nodded and he said, "Follow me." He walked me over to a rack of Dean guitars and proudly pulled out his gleaming new Leslie West Signature model and went over its features. Later, we talked about Mountain, the Who, Hendrix, and the making of the Dean Leslie West Signature model.
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We met at Hippie Fest when it was at Wolf Trap and you showed me your Dean Leslie West Signature guitar. How did that come about and what makes the guitar special to you?
Leslie West: I was suppose to go on tour with Michael Schencker a couple of times and he cancelled for personal problems. It was very frustrating to me. I got a call from from Dean [Zelinsky of Dean Guitars]. Dean said that he was interested in doing a Leslie West guitar. You know, I had chances all along to do it, but I didn’t really feel like putting my name on something like a Les Paul Junior that was already a guitar.
Dean was a carpenter when he started the company and he still does it, so over a period of six months he started working on it. Then all of a sudden I got this guitar! I had given him my input on it and wanted a volume control that went to 11 and I wanted a certain feel to the neck. When I saw the Leslie West signature on it, I was knocked out. I tried it next to my Les Pauls and I said, “Jesus, this is like he said it would be!”
What kind of pickups?
LW: They were what I used with Larry DiMarzio a long time ago, Mega Drives, and I think Steve Blucher at DiMarzio worked with the guys at Dean and made a pickup for the guitar. He was always trying to put in a better pickup.
How did you collaborate, in person or by email?
LW: As the guitar was progressing he’d send me pictures of the neck, before there was any finish on it and when the holes were drilled out. When he finally had it I had to sign my name in gold leaf a hundred times, because he made one hundred of them for the U.S. When they got those back they put them underneath the finish. It’s not like I signed the guitar after it was done. They’re numbered from one to 100 and I think I have numbers zero, one and two. It’s a through neck, not a bolt-on.
Think you get more sustain from a through neck?
LW: I get enough sustain out of my pinkie! When I used to play the Les Paul double-cutaway, I don’t remember if it was the Junior or TV model, I forget, it was a long time ago, but if I pulled on that neck it would go a little flat or sharp. But this is as solid as a redwood tree.
How long did the Dean Signature Model take to get to market once you and Dean began developing it?
LW: I’d say six months, maybe it was longer. I had it for the Austin Guitar Show [NAMM] and I figure six to eight months.
Whose idea was it to have the volume knob reach the “Spinal Tap” 11 intensity?
LW: I was doing a NAMM show for Larry DiMarzio years ago and he had made up these guitar volume knobs that went to 11. He said, “When people come up and ask how you that tone and monstrous sound out of your guitar, tell them it’s not the amp and give them these!” It was really funny, some people thought, “Oh really?” and it made me laugh and it made me happy. Larry just happened to have three or four hundred of them left and so we had to put them on the guitar.
Although I’ve heard you play some sweet acoustic guitar, you're known for brutal rock ‘n’ roll licks and I swear some Southern Rock groups must have been influenced by you. Where’d that come from?
LW: What do you mean by Southern Rock? I never really listened to Southern rock.
Like the Allman Brothers and Lynyrd Skynrd. There seems to be some similarity in the intensity of a lot of the bass notes that you use.
LW: Well, if there is I got it from Jack Bruce and Felix Papallardi who was a music major and conducted a 100-piece symphony at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. I knew nothing. I knew it when we played together that Jack’s sense of harmony and the lines he played went against what I was trying to play. There were descending lines and those kind of lines and I tried to incorporate them on the guitar. And to me fatter was always better.
Some of the big lines, the pentatonic scale I figured out from Felix which was actually more of my signature than anything. He was teaching me “Theme from an Imaginary Western” that Jack [Bruce] wrote and I came to the solo and we were doing it in the key of A and I was naturally going to the bar position at A and I’d start to play the blues or something and it didn’t fit because, I don’t know why, a major didn’t fit over a minor or a minor didn’t fit over a major.
And Felix told me that every key or every chord has a relative minor. If you’re playing in A your relative key would be F sharp minor! He says to me, “When your playing a solo, pretend you’re playing the blues but play in F sharp minor.” It started to fit and I said, “Holy shit!” and I used it for everything! I figured out the relative minor for every chord. That’s when I learned the difference between major and minor.
You were with Mountain at the time, not the Vagrants?
LW: I was with Mountain. I didn’t know shit when I was with the Vagrants.
Tell us about how you got the deal to play Woodstock and are there any lasting impressions that the festival left – good and bad?
LW: Yeah, well when we got to play Woodstock we got a pretty good slot. It was just before dark on Saturday night.
Warner Brothers found the film and they're working on the scene and they said it was incredible footage. This summer we played on that tour [HippieFest 2007] and we played up in Bethel woods at the new amphitheater up there and it’s right next to the original site. I went and saw the monument with all our names on it. It was a good feeling and I’m sorry Felix wasn’t around to go back to it.
I do remember being backstage with the Grateful Dead and they wanted to go on again. They weren’t happy with their set.
I’ve read that you have said that you can get eight different harmonics out of a single note and that you’d developed a pick that can help others do the same. Where can our readers find these picks?
LW: You know what those picks are? They’re broken picks! The corner breaks. I was going to do the pick with one company and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. Picks break and when the point off a pick breaks you get these jagged edges on them. I use a very soft pick. I was getting harmonics years ago. So, when I started breaking picks I noticed that if you hit the string with those broken picks you can make the damn string jump every time it hits one of those little jagged corners.
You’re using the leading edge of the break?
LW: Yeah, and then there are other breaks in there, so when you hit it once on the upstroke you hit it again and so I started screwing around and now I can do it with a regular pick. When you start at the neck and work your way back to the bridge I can probably make it jump six to eight times.
So, it’s the angle of the pick?
LW: No, it’s the way I hit it. My sound comes from the attack of my right hand.
How did you come up with the idea or who was the “Mississippi Queen”?
LW: I don’t think there was one. Corky Laing was playing in a group in Nantucket years before Mountain. He said the power at the club had gone out, the lights and everything and all he could do was play the drums. He saw a girl dancing and he began scatting the words "Mississippi Queen, you know what I mean?" When we got together, when he finally joined the group, I said, "We gotta write some songs. Have you you have any lyrics?" He pulled that out and I started playing the guitar and I came up with the riffs and the chords and we wrote the song.
"Mississippi Queen" is pretty simple, but it’s so powerful that 37 years later it sounds as good and raw today as it did back then. It doesn’t feel nostalgic. Do you have a love/hate relationship with a song that you must have played thousands of times?
LW: I really don’t. Three years ago I went to Ozzy Ozbourne’s house, he was doing the Prince of Darkness rock set, and he asked me if I wanted to do it. I went to his house and Mark Hudson was producing it and we added another riff in there. If you listen to his version, we changed it up. That’s how we [Mountain] do it now. So, that gave it a whole new life.
I understand that Jimi Hendrix showed up when Mountain was recording. How did that come about?
LW: We were at the Record Plant. He was recording in the other room. Felix said to me “Why don’t you ask Jimi Hendrix to come in?” I didn’t know him. I was a kid from Queens and I asked him to come in and he came in. He heard my guitar and said, “Uh, nice guitar riff, man.” I mean you couldn’t talk to me for six weeks! I mean, that’s all I needed to hear that Jimi Hendrix liked me!
You’re also on some recordings of the Who's “Won’t Get Fooled Again”?
LW: The Who had a company named Track Records in England and they represented us over there. I’m back home and all of a sudden I get a call from Kit Lambert who was one of their managers. The Who went into the Record Plant asked if I wanted to play lead guitar and I said "Doesn't Pete Townshend want to play?" He said that Pete didn't want to over dub and he wanted to know if Felix "...played keyboard, played bass pedals or what?" So we went down to the studio and sure enough they started playing me "Won’t Get Fooled Again,” “Baby Don’t You Do It” and “Behind Blue Eyes.” We went down to record and I think on "Behind Blue Eyes" Jack Douglas was doing the engineering. The he went back to England and re-did the whole album with Glyns Johns and they made the Who’s remixes. I love listening to it. I mean it was quite an honor to play with the Who.
You’ve acted and done some voice-over work for "Beast Wars Transformers." How did Hollywood discover Leslie West, the actor?
LW: Hollywood didn’t discover me. There was an agent in New York City. There was a show on TV called Beast Wars and I have a pretty deep voice and I was with Joe Lynn Turner, one of the guys who was in Deep Purple. He’s a good friend of mine and we both went in and the show ran for a couple of years, three or four years, and every time you hear a commercial in the beginning you hear [Leslie lowers his voice] "Beast Wars!"
You were Howard Stern’s [Fox series] musical director? What does that mean?
LW: Howard had a pilot on Fox years ago and he had a band and I was the leader of the band. We did five pilots. We took Rupert Murdoch to a show and he thought Howard was too outrageous. Well, it doesn’t hurt him now. And the Money Pit movie came about because of a VJ on MTV, Martha Quinn. She got a call that they were looking for someone to play a cross dresser [Lana] in the movie which is a actually a remake of a Cary Grant movie, Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House. I went and read for the audition for Richard Benjamin and I did that voice and he said, “All right, good enough.”
Your instructional guitar video, “Big Phat Ass Guitar,” what’s the target audience, beginners or ...?
LW: Hey, listen I don’t know how to read music. We released that to a studio and I play all my guitars and I show how I did all of my solos and some of the songs. I try to put my sense of humor in because if you don’t have someone’s attention they're not going to really absorb anything. We’re trying to redo it and add some stuff to it. It’s not available now because we ran out and I didn’t want to put it out that way and maybe we'll add a new cover now that I’m playing the Dean guitar.
What’s next up in the pipeline for you?
LW: Well, the “Masters of War” [2007] CD came out at the beginning of the tour. A CD that we have with our own label Big Rack records on Red Distribution which is Sony. It’s all Dylan songs. I took two years to figure out which Bob Dylan songs I could do and rearrange. And it’s doing pretty well and I’m thrilled with it.
I‘m on Kanye West’s new album. He sampled one of my original Mountain songs that I wrote called “Long Red.” It’s already at 750,000 copies sold in one week. He took the organ and the drums out and raised the pitch wrote new words. And Jay-Z took one of my songs a couple of years ago, one of my Mountain songs called “Dreams of Milk and Honey” when Rick Ruben wanted to use heavy metal guitar and on “99 Problems."
I watched the Jimmy Kimmel show last night when Kanye West was on it and he said “I’ve got this cool Graduation CD.” Jimmy Kimmel said, “I can understand you sampling Michael Jackson. Even sampling a Steely Dan song's a little strange. But why would you take an obscure Mountain song from the ‘70s?" and Kanye said, “Well, me and my friends go to record stores and listen to CDs and I’ve got a good ear.” Jimmy Kimmell says, “I guess you do!” That’s going on right now. The song is called “Barry Bonds Glory” on the CD.
Any other projects?
LW: Well, there’s one guy that I’m working with. I don’t know if you’ve heard of him, his name is Gavin Degraw. His brother Joey has a rock group and I went in to fill in and I played on some of his cuts. Great. Great. His brother Gavin plays piano and he’s got this song out “I Don’t Want to Be.” Joey called me when I came back from the tour and he asked me if I wanted to get in the studio and play some lead guitar. And he’s a great, great writer and singer. And I’m looking forward to working him. He's a young guy.
We did 14,800 miles on the last tour and I’m ready for a little bit of a break.
Anything else going on?
LW: No, just make sure everybody tunes up. The most important thing for me is to be in tune! [Laughs]
Mountain 2008 Tour Schedule
Date-Venue-City/State
01/11/08-Starland Ballroom-Sayerville, NJ
01/12/08-The Bull Run-Shirley, MA
01/13/08- Ridgefield Playhouse-Ridgefield, CT
01/17-19/08- NAMM-Anaheim, CA
01/20/08- Andersons Fifth Estate-Scottsdale, AZ
01/22/08-Orange Blossom-Exeter , CA
01/23/08-The Independent-San Francisco, NY
01/25/08-The Galaxy Theater-Santa Ana, CA
01/27/08-The Belly Up-Solana Beach, CA
02/01/08-Boulton Landing-Bayshore, NY
02/02/08-BB Kings-NYC, NY
[Edited by Ten Thousand Motels]
2nd January 2008 08:45 PM
mojoman
smokin
3rd January 2008 02:21 PM
guitarman53
Leslie West article on being offered to join The Stones.
3rd January 2008 05:29 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
I always liked Mountain. Much too short a body of work though, at least with Felix, who might well have been the genius behind that band.
3rd January 2008 05:35 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
3rd January 2008 09:44 PM
VoodooChileInWOnderl
Great interview! Thanks a lot...
As I told you before, the new album "Masters of War" is really great! It has Ozzy Osbourne and Warren Haynes as guests
It's all Dylan covers, some of them great, one curious as it's all by Corky, "Like a Rolling Stone" only Corky vocals and drums! Really original LOL
3rd January 2008 11:57 PM
VoodooChileInWOnderl
4th January 2008 12:03 AM
VoodooChileInWOnderl
Here's the song "Masters of War" by Bob Dylan performed by Mountain with Special guest Ozzy Osbourne
