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Topic: Music today and/vs. The Stones Return to archive Page: 1 2 3
December 29th, 2005 02:20 AM
IanBillen Well the current state of music and the quality of such has been discussed here recently. In the past few days I have been listening to several new bands.

Two which grabbed my attention were The EEls, and The Dead Milk Men. They were decent. But really the rest was just boring, background music it seemed.
Cake, who I have heard before was OK. But I tell you, the music doesn't really have any statement, no balls when you listen. It is just boring. The vocals are just the blah, blah, blah, dreary style and it, for the most part is so uninspired sounding. The music itself is slower and not exciting at all. Nothing, I repeat, nothing seemed to strike a chord with me, let alone nail me. A few of the people I know rave about Bjork. I heard her alot of times with an open mind, giving her a serious chance, and I hear her albums and it is like....yeah, so? Nothing special at all to me. Matter of fact, she seems more of a novelty than an artist that is not anything I would think about again after a listen. But they are like I LOVE Bjork...she is fantastic....Bjork is awesome..... blah, blah, blah. I don't get it?

Today's Rock music is mostly the furthest of two extremes. Either it is Death/Thrash metal that is so fast and compressed it is silly. No melody, no groove. Singing about anger, pain, and deep emotional distress. It is stupid.

The other half of Rock is that boring, background style of music. Nothing inspiring or even catchy really. It sucks.

It made me think how far from The Stones current album this new type of Rock is. And it is either too fast, with no melody, with idiot lyrics, or too slow and boring to even hum to...

Music today is really garbage. Kids look to these bands and talk about how they are really good....? WTF? It seems they just want to be as different from conventional Rock as possible ignoring the fact that it just does not compare to a real band such as the Stones. Or the music of the past. Very few newer artists, grab my attention. The White Stripes are the most notable in my opinion. I like some others but only 1 in 100.

And then there is Hip-Hop. Kids I know talk about hip-hop like it is The Blues or something. They mention Hip-Hop and "it's roots" as if it is to be taken seriously as an art form. They just don't get it. I mean I listen to it during the day getting ready, or getting ready to go out, or in the car....and sure I can enjoy it here and again as a dance-fun type thing. I don't take it seriously....how can anyone. It is certainly not topping my list as favorite types of music. I rarely buy it. I just accept it for what it is and don't think or read anymore into it than that. But these kids talk about Hip-Hop's origins and say it is a "life-style" not just a music....get real. It really is just all beat, not melody, no anything eles with retarded lyrics about how a rapper is gonnal F__k a all the hoes and then take out his piece and blow you away, or maybe he has all the bitches and is rollin into the club with a 40 ounce or something. It is stupid as well for the most part.

It is really frustrating when you hear the kids in their teens and twenties and their attitude and ignorance to quality music. It is like you just wanna say...."come guys wake the fuck up and get real.

Any comments?

Ian
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December 29th, 2005 03:07 AM
keefjunkie my only comment would basically be to say... wrong


except for that rap crap
December 29th, 2005 03:40 AM
beer i didn't read your whole post,so i'm not sure, but i tell ya brother, the Dead Milkmen fucking ruled. Their bass player decided to kill himself, unfortunately. But they put out some good stuff: Big lizard, Beelzebubba, Bucky fellini, and eat your Paisly.
December 29th, 2005 05:45 AM
maumau sufjan stevens, bearsuit, the go! team, animal collective, broadcast, architecture in helsinki, clap your hands say yeah, the boy least likely, stina nordenstam, giant sand, nine horses, nada (italian singer), shannon wright, rapture, rachel's, iron & wine, bonnie prince billy, devendra banhart, jaime lidell, clouddead (just "ten", i'm not particularly in hip hop either), antony and the johnsons, daniel johnston, nouvelle vague, greg ashley, but also "big" names as stephen malkmus, sleater kinney, fiona apple, graham coxon and yes wilco or really big ones as alicia keys or beck or yes bjork or paul weller

that is a disorderly bunch of music i listened to thru 2005 and liked, some veeery much

many of these i think are more relevant to contemporary pop/rock/etc than late stones (and i like abb)

my top 3 of 2005:
sleater kinney "the woods"
antony & the johnsons "i am a bird now"
bonnie prince billy & matt sweeney "superwolf"

stephen malkmus, sufjan stevens and the go! team got close to the top
December 29th, 2005 06:02 AM
Nasty Habits
quote:
maumau wrote:
sufjan stevens, bearsuit, the go! team, animal collective, broadcast, architecture in helsinki, clap your hands say yeah, the boy least likely, stina nordenstam, giant sand, nine horses, nada (italian singer), shannon wright, rapture, rachel's, iron & wine, bonnie prince billy, devendra banhart, jaime lidell, clouddead (just "ten", i'm not particularly in hip hop either), antony and the johnsons, daniel johnston, nouvelle vague, greg ashley, but also "big" names as stephen malkmus, sleater kinney, fiona apple, graham coxon and yes wilco or really big ones as alicia keys or beck or yes bjork or paul weller

that is a disorderly bunch of music i listened to thru 2005 and liked, some veeery much

many of these i think are more relevant to contemporary pop/rock/etc than late stones (and i like abb)

my top 3 of 2005:
sleater kinney "the woods"
antony & the johnsons "i am a bird now"
bonnie prince billy & matt sweeney "superwolf"

stephen malkmus, sufjan stevens and the go! team got close to the top



Nice post.

Check out the Deadly Snakes' Porcella on In the Red. It seems like it'd be up your alley.
December 29th, 2005 07:26 AM
glencar IanBillen, what'd he say?
December 29th, 2005 07:33 AM
maumau
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:


Nice post.

Check out the Deadly Snakes' Porcella on In the Red. It seems like it'd be up your alley.




thnx
December 29th, 2005 07:40 AM
Jumping Jack All the decent songwriters are in country music today. In fact, Brooks and Dunn and Toby Keith are much closer to the Stones music than 99% of today's "rock" music.

Sadly, today's rock is more about looking and acting rebellious and rediculous; substance abuse; and left wing politics than it is about making decent music. It is much easier to make a quick buck playing the fool than creating something beautiful.

The Stones were always about having a good time for me while much of today's music is about the lives and problems of society's depressed losers. Mick always acted like he was aristocracy, today's rockers act like they belong in a circus freak show. It is hard to create something beautiful when you go out of your way to look as horrific as possible.
December 29th, 2005 08:32 AM
maumau
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:


Nice post.

Check out the Deadly Snakes' Porcella on In the Red. It seems like it'd be up your alley.





nice, i like them...very stonesy
December 29th, 2005 09:11 AM
Sir Stonesalot >In the past few days I have been listening to several new bands.

Two which grabbed my attention were The EEls, and The Dead Milk Men.<

How the hell are these "new" bands? The Eels("They" are really just one guy...) have been putting out albums since the 90's and the Dead Milkmen(Philly band!)? Fuck man, I SAW them back in the mid 80's! The DMs are so fucking new that they don't even exist anymore.

They are about as new as Phyllis Diller's dust fartin' ass.

Say Ian...why don't you try that new Bon Jovi album? That seems to be right up your alley.

December 29th, 2005 09:48 AM
Nellcote Enough with the Phyliss Diller talk already!
December 29th, 2005 10:14 AM
Col Hey Billen, I actually agree with you on some points. Modern music is 99.9% uninspiring insipid crap.( I'm a 24 year songwriter) In Britain for example, I saw The Rakes on Jools Holland singing "22 Grand Job, It's Alright" My thoughts were, then get the fuck out out of music and get a 40 grand job you tossers! Where's the passion, where's the guts, where's the emotion? Fucking lame! Then we also have Hard-Fi singing "I'm working for the cash machine". Lame!

Come on though, Bjork? She's hardly new anymore, she must've been around for at least 10 years.

Bigger Bang and White Stripes? Both mediocre in the bigger scheme of things. White Stripes have one of the worst sounds in Rock history. Shite drumming, shite singing, bedroom guitar playing, shite vocals etc. I actually prefer the Oasis sound and that's saying something!

Jumping Jack, remember the Stones got a kick start out of their rebellious anti-establishment image so maybe it's the same. Although I find it hard to believe that Mick 'n' keef had that songwriting chemistry waiting in their souls when they were already famous. Fate you might say.

The kids nowadays just listen to whatever is put on a plate for them by the evil marketing men. The thing to remember is that there are still songwriters who don't give a flying fuck about what is hip, and only hear good music whether it is Beatles, Stones, Mozart, Chuck Berry or James Brown, and will fight to preserve great music in this mediocre commercialised money orientated modern age. As Keef said, he just "passed it on". I for one, will take the baton and run with it and the Stones legacy will live forever!
December 29th, 2005 10:19 AM
Zeeta Utter shite, there's "Billians" of great new music out there! I like old and I like new just so long as it's good music man.

Loadsa good new music!

The Cribs, Kaiser Chiefs, We are Scientists, Arctic Monkeys, Franz Ferdinand, Libertines (new in your definition!), Kings of Leon etc!!!!!

Just give some new music a listen...but you're gonna need one thing an OPEN MIND! If not then you may as well keep listening to the same old shit...don't be scared - grow some bollocks and break the cycle. You never know butcha might like it!
December 29th, 2005 10:55 AM
jb Agree with Ian 100%
December 29th, 2005 12:13 PM
mark I agree with Ian on a few points, but then I also know that you have to sift through a lot of crap to find music that you like. It is as much about the marketing and the money as it is the music. Sad but true. Start digging.
December 29th, 2005 01:30 PM
maumau i agree
just have to dig a little bit to find good music
but it is not that hard
if you stay on the surface, that is in a passive mode,
consuming what mainstream providers provide
you are very likely to get a lot of clichè
sometimes crap, sometimes good things/products
internet has helped a lot to make non-mainstream music circulate
in the past it was much harder to avoid mainstream because you had to rely on good radio stations or big money to slide thru different kinf of music
now it's easier to sample here and there and even find cheaper offers if you want the real thing with sleeve and all
but then again in the past the relation between mainstream and "exilestream" was much different
all in all it doesn't make sense to say "music nowadays is all crap"
December 29th, 2005 01:49 PM
glencar It's hard to ever agree with IanBillen. The tradition continues...
December 29th, 2005 02:19 PM
Coming Down Again A) The take on hip-hop (which certainly you are entitled to) is pretty egocentric in nature. If you don't like chocolate cake does that mean nobody else should like it?

B) As stated, the Milkmen are getting to be old-school at this point.

C) Good posts listing off some of the current "rock" that rocks. I think the bottom line there being that you should check out your local indie/campus station to hear what I would consider to be the best music of today.
If you don't have one, you can listen to mine online. www.chrwradio.com
The best time for the being between 9am - 11am and 3:30pm - 6pm (during the week) and mid-day on Saturday's. And oh yeah...you can check me out this Friday night between 6pm and 8pm. I always mix in a Stones track.

Cheers!
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December 29th, 2005 02:26 PM
Egbert Much of the new stuff out now (much, certainly not all) seems a little too "precious" for my liking. Bright Eyes, anyone?
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December 29th, 2005 02:28 PM
glencar Bright Eyes inexplicably made some Top Ten of the Year lists. Why? Why??
December 29th, 2005 02:32 PM
Coming Down Again Again, to each their own but "I'm Wide Awake It's Morning" is absolutely fantastic. Maybe not if you strictly like "rock" but check out Landlocked Blues (featuring Emylou Harris). It's simply fantastic. I love Bright Eyes. The new live disc is great too.
December 29th, 2005 02:33 PM
glencar He has a certain midwestern sinsibility that bores the daylights out of me. Sorry. Move on.
December 29th, 2005 03:47 PM
marko Good music is still out there,you just have to look for it,
but you really don´t hear good music on the radio anymore.
December 29th, 2005 03:49 PM
jb Clay Aiken has really filled the void left by Pat Boone.
December 29th, 2005 03:57 PM
glencar Clay is so gay! Not that there's anything wrong with that...
December 29th, 2005 04:04 PM
Saint Sway Clay Aiken just called. He said the Scoobee Doo tongue looks really gay.
December 29th, 2005 04:12 PM
glencar He's doing "Remedy" on Idol this season!
December 29th, 2005 04:33 PM
Funky Crow Guys....

Music is definately a matter of taste.
Many people that I have met over the years don't like the stones for one reason or another.
Doesn't mean they suck. It just means they don't have great taste like myself.
Not everyone likes fine wine but that doesn't mean that they can't enjoy a nice cold beer. If you drink enough of either, the end result is the same.
As long as someone can get their rocks off to the music, who cares what they are listening too. If it sucks, turn the volume down or leave the room.

Amen
December 29th, 2005 06:22 PM
corgi37 Personally, i agree with you Ian.

The trouble with rock, for the most part, is this. It's all been done before. I just find nearly all music these days uninspiring. I prefer to make my own, or wallow in the classics. I guess being 42 does that to you. I watch the video shows with the kids, and just shake my head at atrocious bands like Nickelback. Like everyone here, i weep when shit like Crazy Frog or that AKon asshole goes to number 1. But, hey, people's tastes have always been up their asses. Yummy, yummy, yummy i got love in my tummy" anyone? What about Sugar sugar? All number 1 dross in an era of amazing musical, social, political change. And i can never forget, at the height of punk and the emergence of fresh new bands like Echo and the bunnymen, (talking 1980 here) the theme from Mash was number 1 in U.K. Go figure! hahaha.

ABB is certainly not as good as the Stones of old. Cant be. Could never be. BUt, yes, its got that same magic that no other band can touch. Some dross, some so-so stuff, but some gems too. Mark my words "Streets of love" is the YCAGWYW for the new century.

Rap/hip-hop is not our music. I aint racist, just stating a fact. The blues might have been called black music, but really, it was "every man" music. Gangsta rap is 99% for and about blacks. Its all bling bling, bubble butts, hotted up cars & how "Pimp" the dudes are. I just cannot understand how is has dragged in all the lame ass pimply white boys. Got me stuffed that has.

But, Ian, you sound like an old fogey. You sound like my old man when i talk about the Stones, and he laughs (sneers) and says "What about Sinatra"?

Dont whinge and whine about what kids listen to. Just be satisfied you are lucky enough to like the Stones.

For all you guys info, and i cant emphasise this enough, listen/download any track you can by young Aussie band "WOLFMOTHER". It is very impressive stuff.
December 29th, 2005 06:25 PM
Col
quote:
Funky Crow wrote:
Guys....

Music is definately a matter of taste.
Many people that I have met over the years don't like the stones for one reason or another.
Doesn't mean they suck. It just means they don't have great taste like myself.
Not everyone likes fine wine but that doesn't mean that they can't enjoy a nice cold beer. If you drink enough of either, the end result is the same.
As long as someone can get their rocks off to the music, who cares what they are listening too. If it sucks, turn the volume down or leave the room.

Amen



It is as you say, a matter of taste. Times are changing though. Recording is changing. Four average musicians and an average singer can put together a half decent demo and make some money, get radio airplay, t.v coverage and make a career for a few years on the subsequent hype. Robert Johnson and Muddy Waters authentic take on the Blues is lost on the modern generation. The Stones themselves have changed with recording technology with poor results. Like it or not, the Stones will be forgoten about, even the Beatles will hardly be remembered in 100 years time like some claim. Or will they? Mozart and Bach are. Their spirit will somehow last though. Noel Gallagher is an example of how their spirit will stagger forward(shit though Oasis are). Getting deep here. Just in one of those moods. Neighbours rang the doorbell a while back as Brown Sugar was blasting out the speakers. Hehe! Tatoo You will be have to be crancked up soon.

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